Bloomberg: Apple targets 2028 release date for its own electric vehicle::Project Titan, the Apple electric car project, has been underway since 2015. But the project has faced numerous delays and…

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      I know this is all android nerds commenting on something they don’t care about for some reason but my guess would be that by then we’ll just be driving over a pad in our garages and not have to touch anything.

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          The wireless on iPhones isn’t even proprietary. Hopefully automakers agree on a standard in that regard. Tesla already has one in the works so they’ll probably be first.

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        Wireless charging for a car would be a terrible idea(possible exceptions for specific cases eg. charging while driving). Wireless charging is inefficient which doesn’t matter that much for a small battery like a phone’s but for a car’s it certainly would.

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          I understand by today’s standards. Ideally, though this would be how shit would work in my opinion. I’m not talking about now, I’m talking about the future.

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    You can 100% just look to Tesla to see what will happen. Tesla has been following the Apple model (“but on cars”) since the beginning.

    • Proprietary connectors? ✔️

    • Walled garden of accessories? ✔️

    • Blocking independent repairs? ✔️

    • Highly integrated experience? ✔️

    • Sleek and different, but not necessarily good? ✔️

    • Reality Distortion Field? ✔️

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      I agree mostly but Tesla doesn’t have proprietary connectors anymore and the US is actually in the process of adopting the Tesla connector (NACS) as the new standard.

      Tesla tried to make it a standard before CCS (the current standard) existed and it was refused in favor of a much worse one.

      They also don’t have a “walled garden of accessories” and if you look around you’ll find a massive market of 3rd party accessories.

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        I was referring to the chargers (home and other). I know there’s a rich history, but I also know that it wasn’t being released free and clear when CCS was being developed.

        I acknowledge that they are now releasing NACS to the public. In other news, Apple is now using using USB-C. These may or may not be related.

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          I was referring to the chargers (home and other)

          The chargers are not proprietary either. That’s kinda the point of the switch to NACS. Home chargers have always worked with J1772 vehicles with a simple adapter. Superchargers are slowly being made available to all vehicles.

          In other news, Apple is now using using USB-C. These may or may not be related.

          Not at all related. Apple was forced by the EU. Tesla, I’m not really sure why they suddenly decided to open it but there is another OEM that was already using NACS connectors in their prototypes (before NACS was a thing) and they organized a change.org petition to open it that received around 44k signatures 4 months prior. That is my best guess.

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            ~6 months ago, they were completely proprietary. It’s being opened up now, but it doesn’t change the history. Tesla home chargers would not work on anything else. The cars came with an adapter to allow them to use J1772 chargers. The adapters to use a Tesla level 1/2 charger on a J1772 car are still hard to find, and mostly from sketchy sources.

            Tesla was also forced to adopt (or at least become compatible with) CCS2 in Europe. It’s not unreasonable to think that it could happen in the US. Releasing NACS puts them ahead of the curve rather than behind.

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              It’s being opened up now, but it doesn’t change the history.

              We weren’t talking about the history. Tesla is only a few years old. Apple is decades old and continued using proprietary connectors until they were literally forced to stop by the government.

              Tesla home chargers would not work on anything else.

              They’ve always worked on whatever you plugged them into.

              The adapters to use a Tesla level 1/2 charger on a J1772 car are still hard to find, and mostly from sketchy sources.

              They’re not.

              It’s not unreasonable to think that it could happen in the US.

              Yes it is. Because the US is adopting NACS.

              Releasing NACS puts them ahead of the curve rather than behind.

              Apple never considered the curve.

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            I personally think that Tesla plan is to forcefully change the IRA bill that mandate CCS connector on all federally funded charging station.

            With this bill, Tesla could lose their charging network advantage in the medium term, or even worse, be burdened by an obsolete “non-standard” in the long term.

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    Let me guess. It’ll only operate on Apple-approved roads, can only be charged by Apple branded chargers and get bricked after 2 years when “It’s no longer supported”

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      Look, I dislike Apple’s walled-garden as much as the next guy, but let’s give credit where it’s due. Apple has been phenomenal at supporting its older devices, much longer than most Android manufacturers. The iPhone 7 only recently stopped getting updates, and it was from 2016. The standard for Androids is still 2 years, so when it comes to long term device support, the point undeniably goes to Apple.

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        Apple has been phenomenal at supporting its older devices, much longer than most Android manufacturers.

        Which is completely meaningless when you can’t actually repair failed hardware.

        The standard for Androids is still 2 years, so when it comes to long term device support, the point undeniably goes to Apple.

        What “standard” are you referring to? Both Samsung and Google have committed to 7 years at this point.

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            From my research it appears to be all models but if you have evidence to the contrary, please do share.

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              Do you have source that mention all Samsung models will be supported for 7 years? Everything I found so far seems to only mentioned their flagship devices and 4 years support for A, Note, Tab, etc models.

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                No, I just don’t have a source that states otherwise. The exact statement from the “Galaxy Unpacked” event states “You will be able to use Galaxy devices safely and reliably for longer, because we plan to support 7 years of security updates and 7 generations of OS upgrades, starting with the Galaxy S24 series”.

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                  I hope it’s true because unlike google who only have a handful of pixel models, samsung actually has a lot of region-specific models that share the same model name but has different hardware depending on the region. Supporting all those permutation for 7 years seems too good to be true for me, especially for the low end ~$100 models, but one can only hope.

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          Pretty much every smaller Android manufacturer only gives two years of updates. Google and Samsung are the biggest two, and it’s great that they’re giving longer support, but if you want to try another manufacturer (Asus, for example), you’re getting two years.

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            Which is precisely why I do not and would not recommend buying anything that’s not a Pixel (Samsung’s come chock-full of unremovable bloatware).

            My question concerned the use of your word “standard”.

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        Apple users are getting settlement checks starting this month because Apple lost its lawsuit over intentionally throttling previous model phones with their “updates”

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          That’s what moved me off the Apple ecosystem. Can’t use any of my apps unless I update my phone, every update made my phone continually slower.

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              Well, you see, I do get regular updates - about one every 3 months on average, and my 4 year old phone is still as fast as the day I bought it.

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        Indeed. As much as I love shitting on Apple, the lifespan of their phones is one of only two things that has made me ever consider an iPhone. They’re great on that.

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          apple product

          life span

          I just got told today when going to the library to ask for an Apple device for Xcode to specifically request one of the brand new laptops because the full size Macs are outdated.

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        I bought a 2014 Mac Mini for $60 a couple months ago. It still runs just fine, and literally yesterday it got a new security update. That’s ten years of support.

        People can make fun of Apple for myriad things, but not supporting their devices is not one of them.

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        My fusion drive iMac was rendered unusable by an OS update that was optimized for SSD and put any hard drive Mac to a crawl.

        I had to change to a SSD, which was very fun because I had to unglue the screen and glue it back when I was done.

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    This is something that I probably won’t buy, but I’m curious to see what Apple would do with an instrument cluster.

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      Whatever your opinion of the business and products, it’s a hard argument to make against their tangible UI.

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        I’m the outsider, I hate their UIs. Anytime I have to solve any issue on an Apple device, I want to give up.

        At least Macs have terminal, but iPads are way out of my comfort zone

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          I meant like their tactile hardware, specifically. They make things that feel dialed in and designed for intuitive use, aesthetics, and quality feel. Considering car manufacturers have been big fans molded plastic with sharp unbeveled edges for the past 20 years with uncomfortable interiors, I’m curious what they would come up with instead.

          I don’t do much under the hood work with my computers though and I’ve heard that they sacrifice a lot of that versatility to make users of all experience levels pretty intuitive, so I can imagine that would be frustrating for someone working on them. So I think I get what you’re saying.

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            I’m sorry, but nothing with Apple is intuitive to me, and I have no idea how people work with their hardware or software.

            Car manufacturers are focusing on keeping the price low, and they used to focus a lot on safety, both inside and outside the car. So let us see where this one goes.

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    My predictions:

    • It will be the best looking car ever.

    • It will have the best user interface both in terms of usability and look and feel.

    • It will have the most advanced autonomous driving.

    • It will be expensive.

    • It won’t support Android Auto.

    • Samsung and Xiaomi will copy it.

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    Disappointed to see very little in the way of actual discussion, and just a load of shitposting.

    But to be fair, this is almost certainly bollocks. It was bollocks when it was first floated a decade ago, and it remains so. As much as the oft-rumoured Apple TV set was.

    At best, Apple are expanding what they offer in-car, which, y’know, they’re already doing anyway.

    Why would Apple want to get the car building market? It makes no sense at all.

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        It’s not a TV though, it’s a streaming box. If they ever do make an actual TV that’s going to be really confusing.

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        The other reply has covered what Apple TV is, but for context; some 15 years ago there were regular reports that Apple were about to release their own TV set.

        At a glance, this isn’t too dumb; they already had a standalone monitor, and the difference between an iMac and an LCD TV isn’t huge. But give it more than a moment’s thought and you realise that it’s complete bollocks. People replace computers semi regularly because more powerful ones come along. How often do you replace your TV?

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    See, all I can imagine is a big iPad on wheels.

    Started with the pod, then made a slightly larger screen and turned it into a phone, then made it even bigger and turned it into a tablet…now make it into a car.

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    Thank god Balmer is no longer in charge of Microsoft or we would soon have a Microsoft car. It would look vaguely like the Apple car and have one unique feature that is so poorly implemented it is worthless.