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Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles::Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”
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Sigh. Not this again. Look, I personally really don’t like the Cybertruck. I think it’s ugly and pointless. But as someone who likes EVs in general I have to call out the usual “the range is so bad lol” BS.
The two drivers who are using the EV said that the maximum range with a full battery was 206 miles and 164 miles with an 80% state of charge.
The range you get when not fully charging the battery is meaningless. It’s like partially fueling an ICE and complaining it doesn’t deliver the maximum range. Good for a clickbait headline though.
That test was done at a relatively constant speed of 70 miles per hour while the outside temperature was about 45 degrees. The truck was driven fairly aggressively most of the time
Driving aggressively, at high speed, in relatively cold weather is the perfect trifecta to make any EV underdeliver in range. Those are real downsides of EVs (and weather and speed are factors with ICE cars, just more so for EVs) but it’s nothing new or specific to this vehicle. And it is not the scenario the EPA uses to come up with range numbers. Perhaps they should, but they don’t.
It’s a truck that’s meant to tow and haul loads. Using it for that purpose is a much larger drain on the battery than aggressive driving, and significantly reduces its useful range. If it’s getting these numbers just being driven, you can expect a sub-100 mile range per charge when towing. Imagine having to stop to recharge for 30+ minutes for every hour and half of towing you do. Woof.
t’s a truck that’s meant to tow and haul loads.
A pickup truck towing and hauling loads? What a bizarre idea. I’m pretty sure it’s only meant to go to the office, and maybe to the maul on weekends, once in a while.
If they marketed it as such, but they heavily marketed it as capable as, if not better, at doing truck things than other trucks. And to be fair, most of us knew it was bullshit, but it’s impressive how absolutely wrong they were. I mean, Elon said it’d tow a Porsche 911 faster in the quarter than the 911 could run the 1/4 mile itself, and they released a video to prove it…except keen eyed folks quickly noticed that the “finish line” they show is actually the 1/8th mile marker on that drag strip, and the 911 is clearly about to pass the CT at that point. Engineering Explained on YT made a great video detailing how it couldn’t beat even the slowest modern 911.
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Now that is a good point. It’s been repeatedly shown how towing drains EV batteries. Then again I’m not sure most buyers of EV trucks plan actually use it as a useful truck… Another reason why I don’t like this whole segment.
I use my F-150 fairly often to haul and tow. If I didn’t need to tow ~5000lbs I’d have just kept my old 97 Tacoma. I was all in on getting a Lightning a few months ago, especially with $15,000 in rebates and tax credits. Then I did the math and realized going from my brother’s shop to my place while towing 5000lbs means I’d have to stop and charge for 30 minutes SIX times on that trip. And sadly, it seems that’s as good as it gets for EV trucks right now. I’m 100% onboard with an EV truck, especially a Lightning with the ability to use it as a generator for your home in an outage, but towing/hauling range has to improve astronomically before they’re practical.
I feel like the towing issues won’t be easily resolved without aerodynamic towing covers. That’s really what’s hurting the range when towing in an EV. Small differences in efficiency make a much bigger impact with EVs. Like let’s say an EV needs 100 watts to maintain speed. Adding 100 watts of aerodynamic drag doubles the energy drain. But since ICEs are less efficient overall, they would say require 500 watts to maintain speed. The extra 100 watts from towing makes less of a difference.
I predict there will be aerodynamic fairings for towing in the future as more EVs hit the road.
Supposedly the Silverado EV does have astronomically better towing range, but GM seems to be slow-rolling that one.
The great news is we have Zac (JerryRigEverything) to test exactly that:
Towing at around its maximum rating in the cold, the range was indeed below 100 miles.
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According to my Tesla driving neighbor most people do not charge their Tesla to 100% in order to extend the battery lifespan. I don’t understand it but apparently Tesla recommends it.
Yeah Lithium batteries stay healthy for much longer if you keep them roughly between 20%-80% charge. Many laptops and phones now use similar management strategies to avoid wearing out the battery.
That’s common for lots of batteries. My laptop has a setting to not charge between 50-70% because it lives on a dock and doesn’t need max life in travel. Batteries are stored between 40 and 80% usually. So it makes sense that a car with the same battery chemistry recommends the same thing. It’s only different in regards to a car being important in an emergency, but realistically, an emergency is unlikely to be both sudden and require long distance driving. So 100 miles of range is probably as good as 400 in common usage.
Your phone does the same thing just without communicating it. Samsung phones let you change the percentage of the battery is “100%” charged.
As mentioned, lithium batteries are happiest charged around 20-80%. No shame in going higher if you need it, but typical day to day I drive less than 50 miles in a day. If I’m using 20% of my battery capacity, I don’t care if that means I go from 100% down to 80% or 80% down to 60%. I’ll plug it in at the end of the day and charge back up to whatever I want by the next morning.
Put another way, how many times have you woken up thinking you need to stop at a gas station because you only have 3/4 of a tank?
Put another way, how many times have you woken up thinking you need to stop at a gas station because you only have 3/4 of a tank?
I mean, fairly often. But I imagine for neurotypical people it might be way less.😂
It’s not just Tesla, that’s just general good practice for lithium batteries in general. Including your phone, laptop, Bluetooth devices, power tools etc. etc.
70 is aggressive? In California ppl will be passing you on both sides at that speed.
The word aggressive is from the article, so I don’t know. Anyways driving 70mph consistently is going to deliver you less than the advertised range with EVs, which I believe is a blend of driving types not just constant highway speed. Consider while ICE cars have awful efficiency in city driving (stop/start) so highway driving is preferred, with EVs it’s actually the other way around thanks to fewer mechanical losses and battery regen braking.
I read aggressive as in accelerating aggressively. Possibly to get around people?
Aggressive doesn’t mean fast. It means more abrupt changes, more acceleration/deceleration
For example, with the frigid weather I notice I use a lot of brake when regen isn’t effective
Didn’t they just get obligated to report a lower range for many models because they were reporting unrealistic figures?
They probably did. However it doesn’t make these articles less annoying. Someone posting on a forum isn’t a newsworthy testing result. Did everyone suddenly forget “Your Mileage May Vary” was always true even for ICE cars?
My understanding of this article is that Tesla’s range estimates were based on assuming they were being driven in it’s range-maximizing, low-performance “chill mode”, while the new EPA rules require reporting the range in the car’s default mode.
Elon “last second autopilot disengage” Musk gonna make chill mode the default then throw up a “would you like to use normal mode for better performance?” screen that autoaccepts in three seconds
263 - 331 kilometers for the rest of the world
Fun fact: the conversion factor from mi to km is ≈ ln(5).
My Chevy Bolt gets more range at a fraction of the cost and I love it. I charge it at work for free and it has been an extremely reliable car for a couple years now.
I mean yes but not really comparable to what’s supposed to be a pick up truck. It’s no different than saying your Prius is more efficient than an F150 lol
Calling the cybertruck a Pickup is hularious, you cant fit jack shit in there. So it is more comparable to the bolt than a f150 IMO
You can’t even fit a bicycle in a cyber truck. You’re not gonna be hauling anything.
Yeah, but an F150 is useful. The Tesla Truck isn’t.
F150s and the like often have a bigger tank to counteract the lower efficiency. The headline at least is about range, which is made of a combination of battery capacity and efficiency.
My electric bike gets more range than a Chevy Bolt and I love it. I charge it at work for free and it has been an extremely reliable bike for a couple years now.
i had a geo metro that had greater range.
so confusing why this exists.
Could you convey that you were both rich AND stupid just by driving your metro?
Just the one.
This is a frankly baffling comparison. I don’t think I could think of 2 more different vehicles if I tried. Believe it or not, range is not the only thing people consider when purchasing a vehicle.
It’s a truck, meant to tow and haul loads. If this is its range unladen then it’s hauling range is 50% or less of this range. Meaning a full charge gets you 82-103 miles, which makes it nearly useless as the thing it’s supposed to be: a truck.
Believe it or not, some people tow short distances, and some people use trucks as trucks without ever towing at all.
But Tesla specifically marketed this as a fully capable truck, which it is not. The F-150 Lightning gets the same range towing as the Cybertruck gets with no cargo.
Of course it is. Once again, range is not the only factor people consider when choosing a vehicle.
Yeah, but how long did it take you to refuel your metro? Surely it wasn’t faster than a few hours.
Or never if it gets to cold for a while.
Ego
Feels like gas mileage peaked in the early 90s. Geo metro was only 3 cyl and sipped gas. my lil 92 eclipse for over 45mpg highway, i don’t even think it was rated that high.
The early 90s was mostly a perfect storm for fuel economy.
You had the computing power available to make use of CAD and develop more aerodynamic designs with less significant overhead (i.e., doing it by hand).
EFI technology had matured and carburetors were broadly defunct, allowing more efficient operation in a broader range of environments.
The US had updated its archaic lighting regulations to allow for more aerodynamic headlight shapes.
A lot of the safety technology that adds weight to modern cars either hadn’t been developed yet or hadn’t trickled down to the average vehicle.
So you had a confluence of more efficient engines, more aerodynamic vehicles, and cars that were still small and relatively lightweight.
well, i actually had both a '92 3ycl (suzuki engine) and then later had a 4cyl monster metro. i think that was like a 96?
just dont turn on the ac
just dont turn on the ac
Haha! Same. My eclipse was only rated 90hp from the factory, and i bought it with 150k miles. Good thing it was a stick
I regularly get 43-46mpg highway with my 4 cylinder TLX, drops off like crazy atoms town though.
I agree that economy peaked In the 80’s-early 90’s, but if you take into account how much bigger, and heavier cars are today, we’re not that bad. Also, a lot of weight and size goes towards the superior crash safety in modern cars.
Feels like gas mileage peaked in the early 90s.
Probably in the early '00s but I mean that’s completely unsurprising considering the strides we’ve made in safety, comfort, and most importantly emissions since then.
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What’s the advertised range?
On Tesla website they said about 340 miles*. Tesla cybertruck
And then the article says homeboy basically floored it everywhere… okay
That’s favorable isn’t it? Starting and stopping at low speeds would drain power faster I think?
“A slow build-up to acceleration coupled with a consistent rate will help your car drive longer on a single charge.”
Til, thanks!
How long is this in world units?
Here, try this.
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Holy shit
Holy shit, that’s awesome
263km to 331km
about the same distance from the bed to the light switch
That’s about the range of the current fiat 500e to Chevy Bolt. Both of which cost half of what this does.
This is irrelevant if you need a truck. Neither one of those is picking up plywood from home depot for example.
Neither is the cybertruck
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But the cybertruck also fails at looking cool, unless if maybe the idea is to look cool to children.
I think it does look pretty cool. I applaud automotive design that dares to be different. Everything nowadays is a giant snarling grill with angry anime eye headlights up front, then a bunch of superfluous sharp creases and fake air vents to add visual elements for the sake of it. Tesla took a boldly minimalist approach with this one.
Before you crucify me, note that I don’t particularly like the vehicle overall - it doesn’t seem to be a design that translates well to mass production, practicality of maintenance, or pedestrian safety. It’s no Alfa 33 Stradale, but I think visual flare isn’t an area you can fault it much.
Rivian has done a good job of embracing EV design features (e.g. lack of need for frontal air intakes) in a more conventional way.
It certainly does dare to be different, but Tesla should’ve gone for a more conventional design for their first truck. The main appeal of Tesla was their mostly conventional designs at a time when many companies kept shooting for a goofy concept car look for their final designs that screamed “THIS IS AN EV”. The cybertruck is minimalist in a sense, but also excessive in its pointiness, use of stainless steel, and how much it ignores the purpose of a pickup truck (i.e. the truck bed). If visual flare is defined as sticking out like a sore thumb, it definitely accomplishes that, but it’s not a pretty vehicle.
Who said anything about contractors? I’m currently watching the ev truck market because I diy a lot of shit and hate having to rent a truck to buy plywood. These aren’t for contractors.
It’s cheaper to rent the truck and plan your trips well. Hell even better, rent a work van since they can fit more in general.
It’s much more time consuming and problem prone. I’ve lived this way for years now and want to be able to just drive out and haul shit without the hassle. This shit is a hobby and the rental nonsense makes it feel like work.
I understand it if you are using it like weekly, but the savings are substantial if you just rent.
Okay. The F150 Lighting has a range of 240-300 miles per charge, and an MSRP starting at $50k, compared to the cyber truck starting at $81k.
Yeah, not saying I even like the cybertruck (I don’t), just that those other evs as re not comparable in any way other than fuel source.
It’s not irrelevant. The two cars I compared it to are smaller, yet they go further at much less cost. To me that sounds like the Cybertruck is way too heavy.
My God the comments in this thread are fucking ridiculous. It’s completely irrelevant because they’re 2 completely different use-cases and if you legitimately can’t see that, you’re literally delusional. But I’m fairly confident you can and are simply being deliberately disingenuous.
As someone how yesterday got home 3 pallets and 4 pallet collar’s in a Twingo. I disagree.
You don’t want to do that every day for work, but in a pinch small cars fit enough. Need more room for a project at home? Get a cart. My Twingo can tow a light cart. That’s 99% of all use cases for me.
Need even more rent a van. We did that with moving houses and it fits so much more then a pickup.
I really think 99% of people will be fine with a small car and a hinge. You get pretty good mileage and a small car that is not a dead trap for everybody outside. Even small ev’s are great for that.
There’s unfortunately no trick to bringing home full 4x8 sheets which is generally what I need. And the rental is too much hassle, especially for small quantities. You need somewhere to park a 4x8 trailer, they’re not small.
My 2008 city golf has gotten 600kms on 55L(typical fill for me is about 52 litres)
Thats all highway driving and not being an idiot.
Im lucky to get 400 kms on a tank in the middle of winter just driving to work and back. Think the worst i got is 385 kms.
I dont understand why people are so upset at not getting the listed mileage when literally every car is only as good as the driver.
Ive delivered auto parts in a 2014/2015 prius V hybrid (not plugin) doing about 1500 kms a week.
Depending entirely on how i drove i could get 735 kms to a 35 litre tank or about 490 kms. Same route. Just how you drive. Idling and acceleration are the most important factors in real world driving that effect your fuel efficiency aside from how much extra weight is being hauled around
Electric cars don’t idle
You misunderstand why i mentioned that it seems. Allow me to clarify.
The point is not how ICE and EV differ, it was brought up to support the real world issues that cause a listed range to be untrustworthy because how you operate a thing effects its perfmance.
I do not drive an EV and did not spend 8 hours a day often 6 days a week driving one around the city i live in so i cant say i have relevent experience to say how much idling effects the EV, but if a device is on, its using energy to stay on, so idling at lights will have some kind of drain on the battery that will give you less range.
How can it not? It wont be the same i totally agree but I cant imagine it wont make some kind of difference
Lights will be on, typically you will be listening to something on the entertainment system, passengers will also using whatever features exist but just multiple screens on while the vehicle is “running”
Again i dont use an EV so i admit i dont know all you might be doing in one that will be used, but i think im more ignorant of what can drain it while on and not overstating anything
Thank you for the response
Lights will be on, typically you will be listening to something on the entertainment system, passengers will also using whatever features exist but just multiple screens on while the vehicle is “running”
yeah that’s different. I was talking about the engine/motor.
Lights and sound will barely affect an EV battery. maybe you’ll lose 5 miles (at most) of range.
Okay but you are picking specifics and arent acknowledging the point im making, so i have to assume you missed my point.
If you only drive 10k to work and 10k home, and you have to stop at a lot of lights then you are constantly starting and stopping. The need to stop your movement, then get back up to speed aka stop and go traffic is going to absolutely gut your mileage, EV or ICE.
That same 20k every day that is mostly just staying in motion is going to be drastically different for your overall mileage. If you also drive aggressively and speed a lot you are going kill that mileage even more in stop and go traffic.
So again the listed mileage is under ideal conditions which is never what you see
My point is how you drive and what you encounter will determine how close you will get to the listed mileage value no matter what vehicle you drive. Its pretty naive to complain about it just because Elon Shithead is trying to sell a ridiculous vehicle and is a shithead
Theres much better and more honest arguments/factors to point out if you want to complain about Cybertruck or tesla in general.
But thank you for letting me know that the internal electical features barely factor in to EV mileage. Its good to know if im ever able to afford an EV
No I get your point. But there are a few details.
The need to stop your movement, then get back up to speed aka stop and go traffic is going to absolutely gut your mileage, EV or ICE.
Regenerative braking is supposed to help. I don’t really know how much though, so ignore my point here
Elon Shithead is trying to sell a ridiculous vehicle and is a shithead
LOL this is completely true though. I’m never buying a tesla. there are better EVs.
The cooled seats, passenger visibility, handling characteristics, acceleration, speed, and steer-by-wire system were also appreciated. The fact that the truck gets a lot of attention, including from people who want to touch the pickup and take photos, not so much.
So they bought the attention seeker pickup truck, but got more attention than they bargained for? lol
Super shitty. I have an antique car and when people want to check it out and take pictures with it they sometimes ask if that’s okay. I always say “if I didn’t want people to look at it and enjoy it I shouldn’t drive it around.”
Do people know there is more than 1 cybertruck?
Also it’s winter in the Northern hemisphere, which is going to dramatically impact range.
The vehicle isn’t even a month old, how have people already
hordrove 10K miles?
