Please stop reporting all OF models as spam. If a post is off-topic, report is as off-topic. If community rules forbid OF models from posting, report that. If a user is flooding a sub with multiple posts a day in a row, that’s a legit report as well.
Otherwise a post by an OF model is not in and of itself spam, even if it is made by a <ferengi>female</ferengi> with the temerity to control her own sexuality.
This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it’s not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y’all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.
That shouldn’t mean we auto report them here, but it’s behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren’t.
I have no issue with OF, but i don’t want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don’t wish to do anything about it then I’ll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I’m happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c’s with “My only fans 50% off right now” as the title… thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let’s rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
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It’s advertising. I don’t care for advertising. It’s like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry’s, etc.
If people want to advertise, that’s fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to “go wild”, not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
If gonewild wants to restrict OF posts, that’s fine. Then it becomes a violation of community rules. That’s really a debate for the mods and posters in gonewild. The mere fact that someone has an OF is not grounds for reporting.
There might be a need to handle the cross-community spammers on an instance or Fediverse wide level though, in particular the ones who post to any porn community with the same title and picture regardless of the picture/title being on topic for that community.
Yes.
They aren’t just advertising though, they are also contributing. A better analogy is food companies going to a food convention and giving out free food. The site would be a lot quieter without their contribution.
even with the food subs comparison the food companies would be “contributing” too, but with self-serving memes that are really just ads. See twitter for a solid example.
r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.
It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.
How is it worse? It’s back to it’s roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many “free” OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I’d say practically every single one.
as far as higher better quality, I’d disagree. There’s something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you’ve seen. What if it’s your friend’s hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They’re regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.
Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It’s nothing new.
I can assure you none of those things is true.
First off, by pushing out OF creators all it did was make it so that an underground network was created on there instead. So the person you were seeing would have no mention of OF but would be a bot account meant to spam you with messages. It also created an issue where we saw so much damn editing of pictures and people posting others content to get around the rules. Hell, half of the posts were basically OF creators who made a second GW dedicated account that didn’t mention it but was designed to funnel views to their main.
Also, in the world of posting online it all becomes advertising. Even if not for money it’s all about putting yourself out there and getting validation, which requires people interacting with your post, which requires you to effectively advertise by posting certain content, doing things at certain times and coming up with fun titles. If you didn’t want advertising and a fair system to see all people then either having one GW account that posts only the content of the sub, or two having a system where everyone posts with the same title. The metrics show dumb titles work and it’s why if you scroll GW for any length of time you’ll notice that the same rehashed titles get used over and over.
Lastly, the people with OF accounts are also regular people, and often just trying to get off as well.
I think that this is better handled per community instead of per instance.
I get what you say about r/gonewild getting ruined by OF posts; OF posts are usually optimised to make you check the link and follow the content creator, so they’re crafted in a very specific way to gather attention that spontaneous posts wouldn’t, so the later ends overshadowed and the posts feel more and more similar to each other over time.
However, what I feel that the platform needs the most is content quantity; there’s relatively little content here, so even OF posts are contributing, even if you label them as advertisement.
And in this specific case we can have the cake and have it too. Since we already know that OF and spontaneous content don’t mix well, communities can be geared towards one or another type of content. Just like hentai vs. RL porn, or fetish vs. vanilla. It’s also more inclusive because, come on, “you can’t post here because you got OF” sounds a bit arbitrary as a restriction.
Note that your analogy with food subs is flawed: food subs discuss food, while porn subs distribute porn. You can’t eat a cake online, but you can see porn online. And once we handle this difference, it becomes like @xyth said, it’s more like those people are from food companies distributing free food, in a place about sharing free food. (Or rather food kiosks doing it - OF posters are individuals, not companies.)
Just my two cents.
I moderated a small subreddit. 90% of the posts I removed where OF bot spam, and 100% of obvious botspam was OF bots.
Between that and other platforms being filled with OF ads I can’t say I agree. It needs to be handled on a per-instance basis because once the OF spam infection takes root it’s basically impossible to eliminate regardless of community rules. Once direct posts get under control they move onto cross posting, then replying to top comments. It never ends.
For every one good OF creator that doesn’t spam you get at least 10 who use bots, and the bot users make significantly more money while having to produce less content than the ethical OF creators and that’ll never change. It’s not worth letting them destroy an entire instance just to be fair to the few good actors.
Yeah, coming from Reddit here as well. I don’t think they understand what’s coming. Which is sad because plenty of us are trying to warn them.
I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
Correct.
The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.
Looks like report reasons are all plaintext. Is that something you can change? A drop-down would be easier to work with: Make “Account has an Onlyfans” a reason, and then ignore those reports.
I don’t know if you’re trying to be funny or not but that is pretty funny. Those poor reporters thinking “how convenient! they obviously know what is wrong because it’s right here in the list!” But it’s there to make it easy to sort into the trash.
Like a suggestion box that feeds directly into a shredder
I do feel the need to comment after reading all the negative comments about OF model posts. For one, I do not spam. I produce NSFW vids and pics because I am an exhibitionist to the core. Most of my content is free and yes, I do like to earn a little bit on OF with commissions since buying lingerie, toys and other kink related items is an expensive hobby. It saddens me a little bit if people would just view it as ‘advertisement’, because I truly feel like putting my ‘work’ out there doing my best to recreate the ideas that I have in mind.
Content creators have been quite good about NOT spam crossposting. The reports right now are just spam reports against anyone with the audacity to post an OF link in comments or body in the communities that allow them which is just extremely annoying. Like if spam crossposting becomes an issue we will discuss and address that but overall content creators have been good on that end.
Every community have a few rotten apples between them. But to let them ruin it for all of us is just upsetting 😅 I totally agree with you. If there is a problem with somebody crossposting, adress that separately. Don’t throw the ban on all of us while we nicely follow the stated rules…
It’s discrimination
Oh yes, you’re so oppressed.
why wait though? Why do we have to relive the mistakes of reddit again? We already saw what happens. nip it at the bud.
Or you can have communities do a better job of moderating that kind of thing
Do you expect us to background check every seller? I see onlyfans, I peace out. Surely that is understandable. And why would we care about your situation specifically, when there are plenty of exhibitionists who don’t want to make money
And you are welcome to peace out! Or not join communities that choose to allow models promoting their paid work. And let others who enjoy what they post just enjoy it
I see onlyfans, I peace out.
Then nothing here has anything to do with you. This is about people who report them for posting even when they’re not breaking rules.
Because like mentioned in this thread: a big part of what is posted here is from OF models. Heck, people will probably repost all my stuff if I am not allowed to post it myself anymore. Doesn’t really make a difference, except that it will be more difficult to trace whoever made it if you want more content of that specific person.
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There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That’s why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I’ll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don’t monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
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Thanks for taking the time to write this. I agree with everything.
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
“Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee”
“My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee”
“Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??”
Lifts top does a small wiggle “see more on my OF” *posts to 30 other communities"
I’m not mad about it. Y’all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I’m sure there’s some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It’ll ruin porn here too.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It’s not mass crossposting.
I gotcha. Let’s hope it stays that way, you guys are in a tough spot, you need to grow but to grow you need content. OF promises to quickly deliver that content but that content may come at a price, You may lose support from users and potential organic contributors. Good luck guys, I hope that whatever the decision you all take ends up being the best for the instance and for Lemmy as a whole.
Of course. It is a fine line we are towing and figuring out, but overall content creators are being reasonable thus far.
but that’s why people are mad about it. Give them an inch and they take a mile. You don’t wait for the cancer to take hold. You see it, and you treat it as fast as possible.
Can you point out examples where this is happening? Because the mods and admins are unaware.
Otherwise it sounds you’re suggesting killing healthy cells before they have the chance to become cancer cells, which doesn’t seem like great medical advice. (as far as I know. I’m not a doctor.)
I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.
Aw man, I’m just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I’m no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
I think once a day sounds right.
Yeah, same! It is an expensive hobby to buy new outfits and toys all the time. I think most of us are posting because we are actually enjoying ourselves and want to share what we make, instead of spamming posts as advertisement.
Yes and I think you can tell when it’s lazy spam vs someone having fun
It’s just spam though. It’s literally advertising of services.
Spam is irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the internet to a large number of recipients.
Their content is appropriate and relevant to the sub. It doesn’t matter if it helps them put food on the table. People are trying to get a nut off, not shame people based on their occupation.
Right advertising != spam. IMO the community should get to decide if it allows any kind of advertising. Unsolicited, selective, none, whatever. Reports to admin should only be when it’s clearly mass spamming.
The sub is for titties they are posting titties. If they happen to be saying hey you can pay to see more titties who gives a shit.
Spam doesn’t have titties
Could you imagine how well Hormel’s Spam would sell if you opened up a can and there were titties in there?
Lots of subs have titties posted. They also have tons of white nationalist bullshit. must be ok
I’m pretty sure this is the dumbest thing ever posted to this instance. I’ll grant you that we’re only a month old, but I don’t see it losing the championship belt any time soon.
I’m so curious what was said and deleted 😂
Lots of subs have titties posted. They also have tons of white nationalist bullshit. must be ok
Edit: And here we see the idiot in his natural habitat, an anonymous internet forum.
The fun bit about federation is that my instance hasn’t federated the comment deletion yet.
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…what
It’s one thing if the post is a daily “Hey, I have an Only Fans!” and quite another if it’s relevant content and the user links their Only Fans in their profile or the comment body.
If you’d expect others to approve the content if you had been the one to post it, don’t report it.
Lol seeing posts to /r/freckedgirls of girls without freckles because it’s a bot spamming to all nsfw subs. But keep enjoying the spam lol
But that’s a report because the content doesn’t fit the community. Whether they have an OF or not is completely irrelevant in that case, and saying in the reason that that’s why you’re reporting it will get it ignored instead of fixed.
Final comment about this because I wanna get off this topic as I’m getting triggered. I’m an exhibitionist AND I need to pay my bills. Idk why I wouldn’t combine those 2 things? I love what I do. I love posting nudes! I love talking to people online. Why wouldnt I try to do that as my job if I love it? The only people that will be seeing my link are the people that click on my profile and find it for themselves. Have a good day everyone 😂😛
If I don’t want to see content from a community, I block it. If I don’t want to see content from a user, I block them. I’d encourage everyone to do the same.
With that being said, ignore the shitheads and keep your posts coming <3
Yeah i have been feeding the trolls. Time to move on and get back to the good stuff lmao. 💗💗💗
Your content doesn’t suck at all. I’ll give you that, you’re not throwing off an OF vibe. Thankies
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoy it
I think it’s fair for people to be upset when there’s spam on the site. But, we’ve so far had issues with only actual spam but not really any true spam from OF models. It seems so far that content creators have been extra careful on that end. Like, as long as the links are in the body or comments in most communities it is more than fine and thats generally whats been going on currently as far I can see. Sex workers need to make money too and getting instant mass reports on OF models for daring to want to make money off their content they are graciously providing to us for free as a community is downright absurd and deeply annoying to have to sift thru. I can get outright exhibitionist communities, but those need to be clear about such imo.
Honestly whether people want to admit it or not, we need content creators for this community to thrive and grow. If it becomes any issue in the future then a conversation will be had, but there really isn’t any issue at the moment.
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Yeah THIS! You put time and effort in it. That makes it a goddamn job in my eyes
Putting in effort does not entitle you to getting paid for something that exists for free somewhere else, or to being allowed to advertise anywhere you want.
Pretty sure no one has denied that it’s a real job or business. The critics just don’t want to do business with you.
Definitely not feeling entitled to get paid, since people can ask for commissions themselves or give tips themselves. If I post a very nice picture or video on here, then it is for free right? I am not asking anything for that.
It bothers me that people want to get it for free, but once they get it for free it’s not okay since it’s ‘advertisment’, because the model might earn a bit of money on another website with it.
Putting in effort doesn’t entitle anyone to get paid for anything, NSFW stuff or the widgets I make in my garage, or whatever. It takes someone willing to pay for it, even if there’s a free similar version of whatever somewhere else. Most communities I’ve seen here (and that other place) don’t specifically ban advertising so who cares? Don’t sub to communities and/or ask mods to modify rules.
I’m not arguing with you or speaking at you specifically, but it seems like a dumb thing to get upset over. There’s many businesses I don’t work with because I don’t like them for whatever reason but I still see their ads all over. Same deal here, imo.
(I’m not an OF model)
No one is saying it’s not a job, jfc. People are saying it’s a product and it’s advertising. It’s 100% as if r/android was just case makers and OEMs posting their newest products.
These communities are not your ad space.
Fair, but people are saying in this thread that they only want free stuff. If somebody posts a very nice picture or video on here, then it is for free. I really don’t see the problem or it being ‘ad space’ just because the model also tries to earn a bit on OF too.
Like a painter can upload his painting for free to look at, so other people can enjoy the painting he made. Do people really consider that advertisement too if the painter earns his money painting?
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…you guys know we need more porn on here, right? The low quantity is likely hurting our retention a little bit. Can’t they just get a sub or something? It’s content, guys. We need content. Just give them a space.
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Man if this is the official stance for this sub I’m fucking out. Y’all enjoy your fucking thirst trap ads lol
But who cares if it’s technically an ad? You still get the porn content you previously wouldn’t get. No one’s forcing you to pay for the extra stuff.
First because it’s annoying. I sub to things for content, not links to “better content” behind a pay wall.
If I wanted that I’d just go get on OF and never come to places like this.
Second, it’s disingenuous. I just reported another post as an example as to why it’s bad for content. If they can scrape OF subscribers off of here, why would they reveal anything for free? Post a pretty face pic and throw their OF link in so you go spend there.
Some of us are exhibitionists AND like money lol
And you can do both where they belong. It’s advertising, spam, whatever you want to call it.
This isn’t a paid service or subscription platform. If I want to seek you out to give you money I’ll do that, but I’m not here for it and it should have its own sub dedicated to that type of content.
Why would I post nudes on a spammy OF community? You’re saying I should be excluded from every community besides that kind just because I have a Fansly.
I’m saying if you so choose, please by all means share wherever you want that don’t break any rules.
My understanding of these kinds of communities is that they are for voyeur, amateur posts. The advent of places like OF has muddied that intent.
Do I think you should not be able to post here with some kind of third party paid service link? Absolutely.
And if the admins decide that it is allowed? Cool man great you all, have fun. I’ll leave though, because I don’t like it. There are plenty of places on the internet to get this kind of content and I won’t subject myself to spam links to see some boobs in my feed as I scroll through this place.
I agree with you. Nobody likes spam 😂😅
god bless you.
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I’ll fap to many things, but 20 identical posts with stupid questions as title because it drives engagement, posted in random subs that it doesn’t even remotely fit in, I won’t fap to! I have my dignity!
20 identical posts
That was covered as spam and the op said as much.
I for one welcome our onlyfans overlords
edit: y’all content comes from somewhere, exhibitionists who can afford it will give it free, you don’t need to pay anything let the fuckin upvote down vote system sort out what you wanna see. people who wanna support swers can, there’s no requirement and honestly it diversifies everything
I personally don’t enjoy OF posts at all. Why would I? I don’t enjoy when prostitutes call me cute either. It’s a business for lonely people.
I post myself, too, but only because I enjoy doing it for free, and because I enjoy genuine reactions by people who also don’t make money with it. If a sex worker with an ad on her profile says " nice dick bro", that doesn’t mean anything to me. My life would have been the same without her comment.
I don’t mind seeing only few, but legitimate posts either. Imho selling should be contained to separate communities, not the other way round (allowing it by default and needing special places without it).
