after St. Louis police unions instructed officers to publicly display The Punisher’s insignia (the mark of a lawless, fascist murderer) the comic book community was quick to point out the stupidity, and the frankly horrifying message sent by supposed peace officers endorsing a maniac. So it’s a good thing The Punisher personally confirms he hates cops who see him as a friend… making every cop who “wears his mark” or calls themselves a “fan” look like shameful fool in the process.

– Andrew Dyce, The Punisher Confirms: He HATES Cops Who Support Him

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    I’m defensive specifically about the points we’re talking about, and yes, people are drawing specifically historically and culturally incorrect character conclusions about Superman as explained in that simplistic video.

    There isn’t anything weird about mentioning the specific examples that refute llogical supplemental materials that draw incorrect conclusions about the personality of certain characters.

    I do agree that it seems like you don’t understand what fascism is, because you keep describing vigilanteism as if it is the same thing as fascism, while vigilanteism is almost diametrically opposed to fascism.

    Fascism is the employment of a governmental body to enact a singular governmental perspective within which no participant may disagree, legally, societally, or civilly.

    The punisher is a lone vigilante uninterested in controlling anything, singularly focused on revenge for specific injustices.

    It’s just not the same thing.

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      Vigilantism definitely shares traits with fascism.

      Fascism is the employment of a governmental body to enact a singular governmental perspective within which no participant may disagree, legally, societally, or civilly.

      I mean that’s just hilariously wrong, it implies there are is no fascism if the government isn’t fascist.

      What you described is totalitarianism

      a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

      Which is an aspect of fascism but not the definition.

      Here this guy does a good job of describing white fascism:

      https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng?si=_UUSGCcbx99A6ilM

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        It is absolutely the definition.

        You’re linking a subjective, loosely interpreted editorial of what racist fascim could present as, given 22 minutes to slog along another conclusion-driven narrative (which I watched, again), while I am providing a synopsis of the actual definition:

        “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”

        Fascism is a governmental body taking control of society, disallowing individual thought and behavior.

        As I said.

        The punisher is uninterested in running an autocratic government that controls other people via oppression.

        That makes him, definitively, not a fascist.

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          bruh

          your own quote

          a political philosophy, movement, or regime

          and then you go

          Fascism is a governmental body

          you literally just contradicted your own definition you quoted

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            Hey, you provided a dismissive, mediocre effort to enter into debate, and that’s what counts.

            No worries.

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              I decided i am done with your stupidity, but then I went back and edited it one last time to show how stupid you are, feel free to read the comment above yours again

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                No thanks. As long as you are giving up on your facile and so far fruitless efforts to discredit…definitions, I’m not going to bolster your false arguments for you.

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                  That’s the only one who discredited definitions is you, with your own quote, you absolute donut, lmao

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                    I discredited your incorrect definition of fascism.

                    I understand that you’ve already forgotten, unsurprisingly, that that was in response to your invalid criticism of the established definition of fascism (in dictionaries) earlier commented.

                    It looks like you’ve entered your “nuh uh” phase here. Lots of luck with that.

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              whoa, it turns out you’re a condescending asshole in all of your comments!?!!

              what a surprise!!!

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                You do share quite a bit with assholes I’ve talked to before.

                I wouldn’t say it’s a surprise, though.

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                    You cracked the code. You, by calling names and making misleading and incorrect statements that nobody agrees with, must be actually succeeding somehow.

                    By some invisible metric.

                    Nope, I just checked, you’re not.

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              Hey, you provided a dismissive, mediocre effort to enter into debate, and that’s what counts.

              Getting very much a chess playing pigeon vibe from you mate.