It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.
We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.
YOUR MOVE LEMMY.WORLD
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I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.
It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.
This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/
The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.
Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.
Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.
Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.
100% I will only be using instances that don’t federate with corporations.
Centralisation will always set in due to sheer complacency. I mean it has already happened. The main player in the reddit-like fediverse is lemmy.world
No other instance comes close to the size of lemmy.world
I also disagree with Metas method of tracking and monetising every last bit of data (I’m trying to get rid of their platforms myself) but to expect the fediverse to be a balanced mixture of access points is just daydreaming.I don’t expect it to be balanced. I also don’t mind that a lot of users are centralized at lemmy.world - because we know the admins, and there isn’t a largescale corporation behind them that would be capable of monetizing and manipulating their userbase. The only kind of balance I want is that there isn’t an instance with multi-billion funding and teams of engineers dedicated to squeezing their userbase and monetizing every character they type. Sure, it will inevitably happen that someone from an instance would try something like this, but that’s an acceptable risk with community-run stuff and may or may not happen - and it probably won’t be as succesfull or large-scale. However, if you let in someone you are certain will do something like that, and has unimaginable amount of resources and manpower to do it, then they will just squeeze it dry while not shying away from exploiting every single privacy mistake there is in the protocol or our implementation.
Isn’t the Fediverse an idea? If so, that’s just someone’s opinion of the Fediverse. Activity Pub is the technology. Not saying it’s wrong, just adding context.
Awesome. This is great news. I just joined this instance and happy to see this position.
Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.
“Hello, fellow humans!”
Does any other human out there love smoked meats ?
The best part about the full smoked meats vid is when his “friends” (i.e. employees) come over. What really gets me is that the friends NEVER speak unless spoken to, because it’s just a really awkward work event where Zuck has to pretend he has friends.
It made him look so gosh dang relatable.
No, that’s not the word I’m looking for. Unlikeable. That’s the one.
This could be the intro to a found footage horror film about a cannibal that smokes his victims.
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Tyler Cassidy made also a good song about Zucc.
I don’t know about these smoking meats, but I enjoy human activities such as breathing air and walking with my leg.
Believe it or not, but this image is also not edited
Good god that’s terrifying.
How
Bro didn’t want a sunburn I guess, lol.
HELLO, FELLOW HUMANS
He likely has a skilled pr team that has crafted his image as unique, brilliant, and even all this alien/ lizard stuff. In general, he is simply a billionaire and for sure not have much in common with working people.
the lizard thing is unfortunately just antisemitism, and older than zucc himself. the whole alien lizard people running the world bit comes from David Icke, who is very much a fascist, and was inspired directly by old school Nazi conspiracy theory texts like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
I spent a month getting an instance set up on .world, wearing my account in, putting up with the lag and other constant problems… then I read about this threads™ nonsense and how .world were playing a “wait and see” game with an evil empire. Read this thread (heh!), moved to .ml. Much smoother and more glitch-free experience. Just have to start over again. So far so good!
What’s the difference between lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml? Completely different instances? Sorry I’m new and still don’t understand everything
Yes but you can access content from both of them from the other. Just browse to it or add the communities from the other to your subscriptions.
Its like one is hotmail and the other is yahoo mail. They are free services/hosts that allow you to access the activityPub protocol. There are hundreds of such providers, and you can even host you own on your own services if you wanted to/were inclined.
Lemmy is a specific layout of the ActivityPub protocol. Continuing the metaphor, you could think of Lemmy like an email newsgroup. All the different lemmy instances display and sort the newsgroups the same way, which is to emulate reddit.
From what I can tell, .world is the main, biggest instance with the most people. That means whenever there are technical problems or waves of new signups, things tend to get a bit glitchy due to the system being overloaded. .ml seems to be a computer tech themed instance that doesn’t have so many people, so there’s not so much to overload all the circuitry bits.
Thanks for saving us lemmy.ml Admins.
o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.
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It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.
Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.
I’d bet a lot of the so called “supporters” are astro-turfed accounts.
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The lack of critical thought has done a number on society.
Likewise, society (disproportionately affected by the booj and those who serve them) reinforces this lack of critical thought. Someone in the genzedong Matrix server is in the process of translating one of Ho Chi Minh’s works into English and shared this relevant passage:
The capitalists and imperialists use culture and religion to make the people dumb, use laws to bind the people, use power to scare the people, and use wealth to make the people selfish. They make the people frightened to the bone whenever they hear of the word Revolution. So, Revolution must first start with waking the people up.
i doubt they have any malicious intent because the fediverse is nothing to them. they’ll use and improve activitypub, which is great, but eventually corporate strategy/shareholders will take them in a different direction and they’ll fork. damage will de done to the fediverse regardless, but there is no malicious intent involved.
lets not federate and take their contributions to source, best of both worlds.
I’m happy to call lemmy.ml my new home. BASED take!
People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
A lot of people left Reddit because it was a drowning ship. They didn’t flock to the fediverse because of what it stands for, and they’ll happily bounce over to the next popular corporate run data farm at their earliest convenience.
I agree with your sentiment, however I don’t think Reddit is a sinking ship. It sucks, me and many other people are angry with them, some of us left but it’s not nearly enough to make them actually sink. Reddit is too recognizable a brand.
They’re too big to fail.It’s too big to fail in the same way Facebook is. It’s inundated with normies. The actual interesting content and creators and worthwhile discussion will find a new home.
This - I don’t care much about “corporate fuckery” in this context. The reason I left Reddit is that losing Apollo was sufficiently painful to prompt me to try something else. Honestly the pervasive anti-capitalist and FOSS-worshiping sentiments here are kind of off-putting.
The reason we lost Apollo and others is exactly what I meant by “corporate fuckery”. I respect that you see “anti-capitalist and FOSS-worshipping sentiments” off-putting, they’re definitely pervasive in the community, and I personally vibe with that. because it’s all cause-and-effect. What happened with Reddit isn’t one company being shitty to their userbase while seeking profit. It’s a pattern. That’s the system working correctly. The “anti-capitalist and FOSS-worshipping sentiments” are coming from people seeing that and taking a stance. Is reddit taking a stance against their users? Fine, we’re gonna make our own reddit with blackjack et cetera and so on.
If you’re against foss go to adobe, they have subscriptions (finance capitalism, rent seeking)
I’m not anti-FOSS but I do believe there’s a place for both it and paid/closed-source software to coexist. I don’t think proprietary software is inherently evil and am fine paying for it if I get a corresponding amount of value from its use.
Unfortunately, you’re not incorrect. They’re just sheeple.
It’s just a typical day on the internet, honestly.
A welcome move. F**k megacorps polluting everything on internet.
Yes excellent! No corporations!!! Just blocked on mine.
So… you’re not gonna try Threads then???
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This!
Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.
Kudos… It’s very much appreciated and a refreshing change to not be let down by something you enjoy online.
Thank you for your integrity and ethics. This action sends a strong message to the capitalist leeches where we stand.
I am a little new to this. What do you mean by not letting them in, or blocking them? Not allowing them to create a “lemmy.threads” instance or something like that?
Threads will support the same protocol as Lemmy (which is called ActivityHub), meaning Thread-content is accessible in Lemmy (and other services) and the other way around.
By blocking Threads no content from there will arrive here and the other way around.
Thank you for the clarification.
I hope Lemmy.world does the same.
I’m moving if they don’t.
Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.
I already have an account ready to switch. It’s still early days so it should be relatively painless if it means sticking with the Lemmy instance that knows capital will only expand and ruin things in the pursuit of profit.
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I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?
This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.
All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don’t take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that’s so ripe for admin abuse?
The lemmy.world admins aren’t malicious… they’re just in over their heads. They’ve struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven’t built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.
I’m thinking the same thing…they’re trying to avoid blowback by breaking the fedipact by just….saying nothing.
I swear I’ll fucking leave if they don’t dederate with Meta
I really REALLY hate to bring up Reddit since I know everyone is sick of hearing about it, but this is just like when Subreddits were determining whether or not to go dark and some of the more popular ones opted to just say or do nothing because they didn’t want to go against the grain.
FFS I wish people would grow a pair and fight back.
I was really disappointed to see many big communities just carry on.
Mastodon.world said they won’t pre-emptively defederate (but are prepared to do so as soon as they notice something bad), so I’m guessing lemmy.world has the same stance
I am on lemmy.world, but the inaction of the admins there made me create an account here on .ml as soon as I saw one of the admins being basically as “naive” as Mastodon’s Rochko.
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They’re open as it seems (since I got to register today), but the sign-up process requires you to answer a few basic questions to verify you’re not a bot or spam account.
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A couple of minutes, don’t know if I was lucky or not though. Remember to check your email if you provided it!
I hope Leemy.world does the same *soon
