Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.
Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
Young voters are being given really shitty choices.
Doesn’t matter, over half won’t be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.
The less people who vote the more elections Republicans win.
Make sure your friends go vote (unless they’re trumpeter assholes maybe, then don’t talk about it).
Less young people voting is a direct result of the national DNC’s deeply infuriating tactic of promising a fuckton of stuff and then just abandoning those goals and… “compromising” with the GOP every single fucking time the chips are down. And here, “compromise” is pronounced “submit to”, because most Democrats have the neurological inability to understand that these days the GOP will betray them simply on principle, or because one GOP rep wants to tweet something so they can “troll the libs”. And then we all suffer for it.
We all fucking understand the stakes here. The DNC is actively pushing young voters away by using such a deeply cynical strategy and then thinking we’ll forget all about that stupidity the next time an election comes around. From where a lot of young people are standing, it looks a lot like a choice between “actively bad” and “passively bad”, and it’s hard to give a fuck about that, especially if you’re already struggling with other shit in your life, like most of our generation is to one degree or another.
Don’t get me wrong - I vote in every single election I can. But the amount of deeply, fundamentally uninspiring or even actively bad candidates I feel I’m forced to vote for, simply because they’re not a neo-Nazi or a member of the GOP is not small. And to all you vOTe fOr a ThiRD pArTY types out there: you and I both know that’s a great way to hand elections to the GOP, given how our shitty electoral system works.
The party is absolutely taking advantage of how bad their opponents have become. Democratic party leadership has regarded the left of the party with such withering contempt for so long, and then they wonder why the left resents them.
It’s super frustrating, because while I still think it’s possible to move the DNC in a more reliably progressive direction, it’s abundantly clear all the fossils in charge of the party have no intention whatsoever of going in that direction, so we either need to force them out or wait for them to die.
And in the meantime, the planet is warming and the fascists they keep “compromising” with only need to win once.
Less than 50% voter turnout is a sign of a healthy democracy /s
Should I have added a /s ? My bad lmao, that’s on me
In what way?
This is obviously sarcasm lol
This must be a joke.
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I feel quite confident that the comment you’re responding to is an example of deadpan humor.
Sharkfucker420, fuckin awesome username lol. Is this a joke or no?
This is a joke lol, added a /s for clarity
Yeah these polls always being in terms like “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Where as they really should poll “eligible to vote” instead to get full picture of the societal political mood situation.
I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It’s certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation,
We had 60 and they killed the public option. How many do we need?
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
What is an MM?
Abbreviation for the Moral Majority that they mentioned in the first paragraph.
Thanks for explaining
Oh gotcha thanks.
Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
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There is no exact number. The more there are, the bolder they can be.
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Please tell me you’re not talking about the two month window in 2010 where they had a filibuster-proof majority, and passed a major healthcare reform bill, but it was kneecapped because it relied on Joe Lieberman to pass. Because that’s a case where a couple more Democrats would have made a huge difference in what we would have gotten, and also turned 2 months and some change into two years. That’s my point that there’s no exact number.
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Having enough is a spectrum: the more there are, the bolder the legislation and the more likely it is to pass. So however many you get, you always fall short of doing even better with more.
Single payer healthcare had been discussed in the early stages — and it was clear they wouldn’t have 60 votes for it, so it was a non-starter. Because there were exactly 60 D/Is, there was no wiggle room. And the GOP held up the 60th Senator in the courts as long as they could because they had no wiggle room. And then Ted Kennedy had to vote for the ACA on his virtual deathbed, and after that their 60 votes were gone, so they couldn’t spend more time on healthcare or move on to other tough issues. Lieberman forced them to remove the public option from the bill.
But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.
And this all touches on my original point: a couple more Senators would have changed things significantly at that time, but a more progressive president would not have.
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening
Unlike that peace-lover Trump who only cares about the welfare of the Palestinian people, right?
You misspelled Russia.
Centrists falsely interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump. It’s dishonest.
And realists know that bashing Biden with no nuance, as these comments are doing, does nothing but benefit Republicans.
Centrists just want everyone to their left and only their left to shut up.
Then what you’re telling us is there is no opportunity for improvement… Clinton was 30 years ago and Biden is to the right of Clinton. Three decades of “incremental progress” has gotten us nowhere.
interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump
When you don’t vote, therefore allowing Trump to win the election…then yeah.
Equating the above with “all criticism” is what’s dishonest. Plenty of people criticize Biden who voted for him once, and they are still voting for him again. But you know that. We might not like him but believe it or not, we dislike fascism even more. Crazy, I know.
My criticism of Biden is totally my endorsement of trump for sure
Do you have the name of a third person who has a chance of being elected in 2024?
Also I came back to say this. How do you not see Biden and Trump being our only feasible options as inherently undemocratic? People only like them in comparison to the other. We should not be forced to choose between two objective evils. Are you so resigned to stagnation that you think continuing to enforce a system that exploits is the best option?
? So I should just love Biden? I don’t understand what you mean. I never said anything about voting did I?
It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.
I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?
But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.
One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.
He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.
He didn’t have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.
Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point
Sinema didn’t kill the minimum wage increase by herself. She was one of 8 democrats to vote against workers.
Manchin is the perfect centrist Democrat.
This…just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.
Wow you guys are so original 🙄
We totally are. thanks.
Maybe pay attention to what’s actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
Anyone who thinks he’s senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O’Brien’s podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I’ve ever seen Trump.
I don’t think he’s senile, I just think he’s out of touch. It’s hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.
Yes, this is tradition.
Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!
Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb
Trumps stated first step is to “drill drill drill” so please explain why this isn’t an effort to dissuade from the better option?
Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment? Your argument is a straw man. The OP said that Biden was not trying to destroy the world. I informed him that Biden is trying to destroy the world, simple as that.
Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment?
No one said you did.
Biden isn’t trying to destroy the world. Everything isn’t black and white no matter how much you want it to be. We’re back in the Paris Climate Accords despite how the man-baby in the previous administration pulled out because Obama.
I mean, if you want to argue that we are going to destroy the world no matter what, we could speedrun it by electing the fascist who wants to destabilize the entire world by pulling out of NATO. I however would prefer to live out the remainder of my natural life instead of nuclear Armageddon deciding for me.
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Which is why republicans are trying so hard to push the idea of not being able to vote until you’re much older.
cause they want to cut off the youth vote, because they’d rather disenfranchise tens of millions and get rid of democracy than risk having to change their positions.
The youth vote, the minority vote, the poor vote, the mail-in vote… Really they just don’t seem to like the concept of voting altogether
they only want landed billionaires to vote.
Well it’s hardly surprising.
It’s like preferring a slice of unbuttered slightly stale bread, to a literal dogshit on a stick, being waved around by others with shit all over their faces, knowing that if they eat enough, you’ll have to eat double.
I hear ya. So many would literally eat a shit sandwich if it meant a liberal had to smell their breath.
Eew that doesn’t sound hygienic.
ITT: right wing Poe’s law trolls pretending to be leftists.
Noooo russianpsyop.org told me young people hate Biden now, don’t bother voting!
I hecking looove Genocide! Morals and values? Never had em! Let’s stop pretending everyone!
Don’t let the Russian psyop tell you you care about Arab children being bombed they are brainwashing you!!!
You don’t have to like Biden to know that he’s the only valid choice
You vote for a racist ZioNazi if you vote for Biden. He is no longer a valid choice the mask is off.
Are you suggesting Trump is a valid choice?
Crickets lmao
Third party or no vote is a valid choice.
Plenty of other options out there.
Quit trolling with that bullshit
That’s weird, that would be the same thing Russian propaganda tells me to do.
First-past-the-post realistically cannot support more than a two-party system, and I will always vote for the candidate to the left, who just happens to be Joe Biden. Not voting and third parties get us Trump.
You are voting for a russian asset, who is a traitor, and who likes nazis… so what?
Some of us may vote for Claudia de la Cruz.
Sure.man, waste your vote in a third party, like it is a good option now that you have an autoritarian racist idiot. That’d works /s
Heck, the republican party, known for always been pro Israel, suddenly are pro palestinians, and it only took a democrat president to claim for cease fire and his indecisive arguments on the topic to change their minds… oh no wait, they are not pro palestinians, they are just a bunch of hypocrites, who only say that because it is always something to critique a Democrat president.
Don’t let the Russian psyop tell you you care about Arab children being bombed they are brainwashing you!!!
This but unironically
I don’t particularly prefer Biden, but he’s much more preferable than these crazy nazi Republicans running against him
I can vote with my heart in the primary.
I’ll vote to win in the general.
Every week it’s a different poll with a different result and a different headline. All I’m learning is that these polls are meaningless.
Not all polls are meaningless. But there are a ton of meaningless polls that get an inordinate amount of attention. And I believe the overall goal of that is to make people think they’re all meaningless.
There haven’t been many disasters and the news orgs need the clicks
Man, the level of statistics illiteracy here is out of control. I hope y’all are just literal children that are still in pre-algebra or something.
Wait, just yesterday young voters didn’t like Biden? I’m beginning to think that maybe the news is all made up 🤪
Liking Biden and voting for Biden can be two separate things.
This is very true
Still true, no one likes Biden. The alternative just happens to be an evil dictator.
I don’t think that is true. It’s like saying you don’t like a Honda Accord because Ferraris exist. Sure you want everything, but you’ll still appreciate the Accord over the Nike Express.
Its the difference of sitting in an ugly car VS sticking an industrial wood chipper up my ass and turning it on. Ill take the ugly car.
Sure. Biden at least does SOME good. He’s not a Bernie or the shakeup we wanted. But it’s far better than the Cheeto.
Sabata hates ugly cars! How dare you make fun my mom’s old Chevy Cavalier!
If we had ranked ballot this would be my vote:
- John Stewart
- A tree stump
- Biden
I don’t like Biden much either, but a tree stump is just unkind. We needed Bernie Sanders, not another TV celebrity. (I do love me some John though)
Love John, but he won’t do it. He’s said in multiple interviews that his place is outside the establishment generating the public will to act, which he couldn’t do as a politician. I don’t blame him. He seems to be more effective at getting change done than most senators or even presidents.
If Biden were to drop out there’s a long list of people who really don’t have the clout to galvanize a winning coalition on such short notice. The list of people who do and could win is one person long:
- John Stewart
Stephen Colbert might be on that list too. And honestly, Harris would probably work for the same reasons as Biden.
Wait… Tree Stump is running?
It’s a fallacy of polling. They only had two choices here. The correct interpretation is they prefer him over Trump, but do not like him.
I read an article earlier this week that actually explains this. They had a result that young people preferred Trump to Biden – but when they narrowed in on likely voters, it flipped to Biden. They noted that the individuals who preferred Trump tended to not vote in 2020.
Make of this what you will. I’m not entirely sure myself how to interpret this.
Which is funny, because I read almost the opposite. These people are just making everything up.
Not made up. Just a large population.
I could write an article about how Biden is really a cat and find people on the street to provide quotes for it.
So you’re saying it’s not literally made up, but effectively made up?
Unless it’s literary, then it’s both?
I prefer getting a finger cut off, as opposed to an arm.
Doesn’t mean I want to lose my finger.
Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the important thing is to actually vote. Going around and saying “well they both suck” doesn’t help anyone.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
Always vote, even if the news or anyone else tells you the candidate you want is a sure thing, vote even if the candidate you don’t want seems like a shoe-in.
Hillary vs trump was the first election in which I could vote, but I refrained on account of not wanting to vote for a giant douche or a shit sandwich. I will never make that mistake again…
I’m not a Biden fan, but I voted for him last election and will eagerly do so again this next cycle.
I also want to point out that the gap between the “lesser of two evils” has turned into the Grand fucking Canyon following trump’s attempts to overthrow our government to remain in power, and platforming on literal fascism…
It’s a vote for democracy or neonazi fascism. Period.
I don’t know why the Onus is literally never on our politicians to do better. We always have the threat of some worse force to keep us in line.
The public selects the representation every few years, the public votes them out that’s a form of being held accountable. If people ignore their right to vote then that can let people abuse their positions or cause people to pander only to people who actually vote since those are the people keeping them in. D
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
I’m no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. A vote for Biden in the primaries was a vote specifically made to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. You’ve got endless energy available to lecture us but none for the people who fucked us over? Pound sand.
Respectfully, I think you’re misunderstanding my comments. It’s anyone’s right to hate how or who anyone else voted for. But not voting at all and getting upset with the outcome is your own fault.
Any person should be encouraging every other person that they know to exercise their right to select an official. Ignoring that right because you feel it’s futile or because your super sure what you want will happen is a breakdown in democracy.
I don’t really care who or how anyone votes but they all should be doing it.
But not voting at all and getting upset with the outcome is your own fault.
I voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and I’m upset with the outcome. So in 2024 I won’t be voting for Biden and I won’t be upset with the outcome.
So it doesn’t affect me at all but may I ask why you wouldn’t decide to vote for an independent, or the republican party.
Really you should vote for whomever most closely aligns with your governing preferences. Ultimately if you dislike the platform of every party, then it should be a decision about which most closely aligns with what you’re looking for.
If you were deciding what to eat it doesn’t really matter if you don’t like the options, eventually you have to choose something or someone else will choose for you.
Again I’m not endorsing any party or platform, I don’t care about how you choose to cast your vote. I just think that everyone should vote, even if it doesn’t align with my preferences or voting choices, which again I’m not saying I endorse any party specifically.
Oh. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you as you tried to explain to me earlier. I’ll be voting third party so if that’s all you were encouraging me to do I apologize for misunderstanding you.
Yep, vote however you want, I don’t care, just go and vote.
I’m no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries.
How exactly do you intend to win future primaries and elections without any of these voters? You have endless energy to criticize moderates about how they need to earn your vote and be higher quality candidates and represent you – what about leftist candidates?
As long as you hold this double standard, you’re not going to go anywhere. Moderate voters are not obedient little sheep, and progressive candidates are not entitled to moderate votes. If it isn’t progressives’ fault when moderates lose, then it isn’t moderates’ fault when progressives lose.
How exactly do you intend to win future primaries and elections without any of these voters?
The same way they intended to win 2024 while fucking us over.
You aren’t losing a finger, you’re being forced to accept that your politics don’t align with most of your fellow citizens.
Frederick Douglas couldn’t even vote, but he worked for politicians who couldn’t promise to end slavery.
Don’t align with most of your fellow citizens that vote, specifically. And they’re the only ones that count in this case.
Sounds like you think you can win the 2024 general election without our help then. Best of luck.
If you’re petty enough to roll over and let fascism win, you were never someone who could be relied on anyway.
And yet, apparently the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries are relying on our votes because he wouldn’t have won the general without us.
Based on what you know about the GOP, what makes you think that there will even be an election in 2028 it they gain power in 2024?
I don’t. Question is, why did the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries think they could fuck us over and then turn around and expect our votes?
Do you think you can win primary and general elections without their help? Petulance only begets petulance.
Petulance
Do you want our votes or not? This ain’t the way to do it.
This entire thread is literally about how there aren’t very many of “your votes”
Sounds like you think you don’t need us to win the 2024 election then.
Exactly my point.
Awww is the Boomer upset that someone doesn’t just do what they’re told? Gonna throw a little fit and insist you’re the grown up and therefore you make all the rules?
Typical.
you’re being forced to accept that your politics don’t align with most of your fellow citizens.
I think younger people are being forced to accept their politics don’t align with most of their fellow citizens who vote and have money. Statistically this means older citizens.
If there’s anything good coming out of the last two presidential elections I think it’s that younger citizens are becoming more active and galvanizing them to vote and be heard.
In an ideal world, maybe the votes would be weighed by the expected remaining life span of the voter.
Offset by the expected wisdom of the voter.
Minus the quotient of easily swayed by social media disinformation idiocy
If the change in vote numbers on the R side from 2016 to 2020 is anything to go by, it still skews younger voters having more power.
Imagine being there in 2020 and saying “yeah, I want more of that”
At least it would keep Republicans out of office
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A warmongering, racist piece of shit.*
FTFY
You don’t have to pretend biden is good to say he’s better than trump.
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I thought that shit show was Trump’s fault.
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That better future, most regrettably, is human annihilation via climate change.
I truly see, in that aspect, all capitalist candidates as the same.
Of the candidates, Biden has done the most to combat climate change. The Inflation Reduction Act was the biggest effort we’ve made so far, and it actually caused European countries to pass similar legislation so that their green energy companies would stay competitive.
Is the IRA perfect? Absolutely not. We need to do much more. And I trust Biden the most to do so.
Yes, I trust him more than the Greens. The green party likes to talk a big game but they have no results to show for it – they could at least compete in local races, and as mayors and state representatives push sustainability policies. They also have no trouble running anti-science, fear mongering candidates who rub shoulders with the most corrupt capitalists in the world.
I think you are missing the point unless someone from one of the parties does something literally right now our species is going to be destroyed. It’s arguably already too late to stop it.
I don’t think anyone is taking this seriously enough.
It’s hard to tell what our trajectory is. It’s clear we’re going to see the effects of climate change and that we have to deal with it, we can’t just ignore it. What isn’t clear to me though is the severity. Are journalists sensationalizing it as the end of the world? Or are officials at climate groups like the IPCC downplaying the severity? Should we be talking like it’s an existential threat to humanity, so drastic action is taken?
I don’t know. And I say that as an engineer at a green energy company. I’m trained to look through the bullshit and I have an interest in this field. If I’m unable to determine what’s what, I can only imagine how much worse it is for people who care about this but may not have the technical background on the details.
It’s certainly too late to stop it entirely. We need to take measures to mitigate and weather through its effects. And regardless if it’s an existential threat or not to us still, we should be acting now. It would be fantastic if we could get an annual climate bill that judges the situation each year and makes adjustments to course correct us to whatever our goal needs to be.
If that’s the case, hopefully they get out and vote.
Young people prefer Joe over the guy LITERALLY ADVERTISING TYRANNY AS A FEATURE? What a fucking surprise.
Now actually show up on election day.
We did in 2020. Or do you think Boomers won the 2020 general election all on their own?
“Prefer” doing a lot of work here
