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      Even if it loses 90% of its value it’s still a win if the money came from credit cards you never paid back. Although the couple of hundred bucks you get might not be worth the hassle

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        You will also be unable to take out any debt upon release. It’s difficult to get credit as a released felon without a history of defaulting on debt.

        So, being generous and saying that he sees a 4% return on his investment, he’ll have slightly more than he went in owing, and will be completely unable to even get a car loan, a decent job, or place to live.

        He will have turned 0 dollars in to a lifetime of hardship.

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          Correction: He will have turned 0 dollars into a lifetime of hardship and a few hundred dollars.

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          If all of the defaults occurred >7 years ago and there’s been no credit activity since the individual would have no credit score because of no credit history. I know this because I’ve literally seen it happen. What you do then is apply for a secured credit card (basically you pony up some cash to secure an extremely low credit limit) then after you’ve established a payment history and a credit score you can move on from there. As far as I know financial institutions do not take into account one’s felon status when determining elgibility

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    You’d still owe that debt. Unless you go to prison for live than the debt’s statute length. Generally 7 years.

    Also some jurisdictions make you pay for the privilege of going to prison.

    Ymmv, choose your state of jurisdiction very carefully.

    Also crypto is a bubble IMO.

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      Wait if you can avoid debt collectors for 7 years they just forget about you?? Like I could fuck off to another country where they can’t garner my wages and come back and they can’t do shit about it?

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        It’s not that clearcut: they have various tricks to keep it alive, if they know where you are. This is why you never admit to a debt nor pay the token amount they offer; both are tricking you into legally claiming responsibility, so they can keep the debt alive

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        Debt is super weird. In some cases you can have thousands very much just disappear after 7 years, in others they’ll hunt you down mercilessly over a $25 copay they mailed you a “this is not a bill” letter about 2 years ago. My wife was pretty deep in debt when we first started dating and I literally have seen both extremes and everything inbetween.

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      Couldn’t you just leave the country and disappear somewhere with a low cost of living? Not like anyone can catch you moving crypto across borders.

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    I think you would make more money if you gave handys behind the Wendy’s dumpster every day for 7 years.

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      Come to that you fucked up in step 1. Do you really think the credit card companies are gonna let that debt just sit there not accruing interest and not send debt collectors to your house while you’re in jail?

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      I mean if I had gone to jail right after I bought any of my crypto I’d be doing better. Sadly, it makes more sense to pull the crypto than default.

      I think I had less than a cent of bitcoin and managed to pull 20 later (almost all of it) then another 20 later. Huge percent profit.

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      You probably wouldn’t need laundered crypto, but you would need to be able to hide it from the bankruptcy court. This only works if you can clear the credit card debt.

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          I pay for my VPN in Monero. You can also get items shipped to an Amazon Locker near you with Monero. I agree, the adoption isn’t great but it’s better than nothing.

          Edit:

          Sorry, it’s late and I’m tired. I misunderstood your comment. No it doesn’t need to be laundered. It obfuscates the amount of money, recipient and receiver meaning it’s as private as giving your friend some cash in person.

          Article if you wanna read more.

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            Yes, I understand how monero works. Yeah you’ll get away with buying some groceries or whatever with it, but people who go through bankruptcy (especially who aren’t rich, and are felons) have a close eye from the government on their finances. If you try to buy a house or a car or anything actually life changing with that, you’re pretty likely to get caught and charged with fraud etc., unless you legitimise it, that is, launder it.

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              I see. That is a very good point. Sorry for not understanding.

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      You just use it to buy drugs so you don’t have to use your other money for drugs. Kinda like how you use your dirty cash for filling up your car, paying for groceries, contractors… You can basically build an entire house with cash and then sell it and pay taxes and shit.

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    Someone actually did this, then built a nuclear fallout shelter in their backyard in the middle of some city, but he did it all redneck and it blew up or something while building an underground generator or something and killed a 17 year old kid, he went back to jail, got out after another crypto spike, tried to cash out and immediately got sued by the family of the dead kid for wrongful death and got sued by the IRS for back taxes. It’s a fucking rabbit hole of a story.

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      After 7 years in the US all debt falls off. So if he’s in prison for 7 years, yeah it’d all go away.

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        Well, not exactly. The debt is still there, they just can’t force you to pay it. Exceptions apply, like student loans, and they can probably still claim property in the case of bankruptcy or inheritance.

        Also your credit score is going to tank hard.

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          After 7 years it falls off your report, so if he’s in jail for 7 years he’ll have an empty credit score at the end.

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            Not empty just extremely low. Low is worse then nothing. Good luck getting any credit after this. Then again, if the crypto actually grew, it may not matter. You would need at least half a million in profit to be worth all the effort of this scheme. Still only making about 70k a year at that level. Assuming you did 7 years and didn’t have to pay anything like prison rent. Seems like a bad investment.

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          Well it works where if it’s non government debt and you don’t pay for 7 years, it falls off your credit report. Of course if you had a car/home tied to it they would have taken it at that point.

          But honestly at 5 years the collector will have mostly given it up and sold it to a debt collector for pennies on the dollar who call from time to time when they have nothing else to do.