• fubo@lemmy.world
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      The Palestinian state is in the West Bank (about 16x the land area of Gaza).

      It would be more accurate to say that the Palestinian state lost control of Gaza to Hamas, and Hamas is losing Gaza to Israel.

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        Because the west bank isn’t under IDF occupation yet? Every day settlers are carving out chunks of it, and there’s checkpoints everywhere.

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          Hamas initiated a war with a horrific military/terrorist attack on Israeli civilians on October 7. Sometimes when a belligerent starts a war, it ends up losing territory.

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            Look man, bad shit happens in war. Just don’t pretend to be the fucking good guy when your militant to civilian kill ratio is 1:3.

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              According to Wikipedia the ratio for the October 7 attack was around that figure, yes:

              • 859 civilians
              • 282 soldiers
              • 57 policemen
              • 10 Shin Bet members

              Plus the rapes, tortures, and abductions.

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                Yes we know, and that’s why we are all so curious to find out why you only give a shit about Israeli civilians. You cunt.

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                  I think we all know the answer to that question.

                  They think there are no civilians in Gaza, only Hamas and other animals that need to be exterminated.

                  I mean, an israeli spokesman on cable news wouldn’t even admit that Israel had killed babies in the mass bombings.

                  So, if only hamas has been killed, and by the Israeli govts own talking points no other humans, then the ratio is like 15000 Militants : 0 Civilians.

                  Probably the best war ever guys!

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        The Palestinian Authority only has exclusive security control of roughly 18% of the West Bank – Area A. However the IDF basically enters it whenever they deem it necessary anyway, so exclusive is a misnomer.

        The PA has joint security control with Israel in 22% known as Area B. The rest of the West Bank – 60% in Area C – is under direct Israeli control. Area C is where all the illegal Israeli settlements are. Palestinians are also pretty much never granted building permits, etc in Area C. And it’s worth noting that Areas A and B are non-contiguous as dotted islands of control inside of Area C.

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        It would be more accurate to say that the Palestinian state lost control of Gaza to Hamas, and Hamas is losing Gaza to Israel.

        Not wrong, but same outcome.

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      By this logic, Israel had already annexed all of Palestine before the 2005 withdrawal.

      Not to mention, Israel has managed security in the West Bank forever. If Ramallah has actually been annexed, it’s rather strange that you won’t find any Jews there, and that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to even visit this apparently annexed territory.

      Perhaps the situation is slightly more complex than that.

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        Israel bans Israelis from visiting Ramallah because they don’t want Israelis interacting with Palestinians, and especially shopping in Palestinian businesses.

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      Not really, nobody in Israel talks about dismantling Palestinian Authority

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        This is a book that has been written many times. It starts with a military occupation and ends in a Israeli state.