All Abrahamic religions are very conservative. Hardcore Muslims share more values with hardcore Christians than with progressive liberals.
Problem is the xenophobia.
That’s another value they share.
Sure, but most Muslims in America are not hardcore. The average Muslim American is significantly more liberal than the average white person.
Idk about that one champ
Thats so hyperbolic it would be funny if I didn’t think you were serious
Not true.
In the US, Jews and Muslims vote Democrat. Over 50% of American Muslims believe LGBT Americans deserve equal rights as everyone else; meanwhile only 15% of Pentecostal Christians agree.
Why would you compare Muslims to Pentacostal Christians specifically?
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Hardcore meaning fundamentalist types. Not sane people.
I don’t think the current shitstorm has anything to do with hardcoreness.
Is that a joke?
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP, DENNY’s?!?
Who are they going to vote for in what is effectively a two-party system, the Republicans with a sizeable group of Christo-fascists?
They’ll get even worse than ignored, they’ll be targeted.
3rd party 2024
3rd party has always been a guise to pull votes from Democratic candidates.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
There is no better year to get ranked voting than going 3rd party while both primaries split their votes.
The MIC needs you to think it’s impossible or a waste of energy.
Short of God himself striking down Trump with a lightning bolt, he will be the nominee.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
It does not work like this.
Do you genuinely think Trump loses primaries and just bows out and doesn’t go 3rd party?.. I don’t understand your take.
So when you say “3rd party 2024” you’re suggesting voting for Donnie?
Now I don’t understand your take.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
There is no better year to get ranked voting than going 3rd party while both primaries split their votes.
The MIC needs you to think it’s impossible or a waste of energy.
Ross Perot would like a word.
Giant asteroid 2024
Ever wonder why Steve Bannon is working so hard to recruit 3rd party candidates?
Tell me you don’t understand math & game theory without telling me you don’t understand math & game theory.
Tell me you don’t understand the trolley problem without telling me you don’t understand game theory.
Can’t happen until you change the legislatures to 5 member proportional districts and the single-seat offices to something like approval voting (or any other voting system where it’s safe to give your favorite maximum support).
And that’s how you effectively voted for whichever of the 2 parties you hate least.
Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch had a good line. "If you agree with me 51% of the time, you should vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, talk to a doctor.’
What should Democrats be doing for black voters that they aren’t?
reparations for slavery, strengthening the right to vote and making it easier to access polls, outlawing the death penalty, abolishing prisons, removing the clause in the 13th amendment that allows for legal slavery, abolishing the police or at the very least force them to have oversight, banning AI for use in law enforcement, etc.
Reparations seems like a nonstarter but the rest of these are happening, to various degrees, at the state level in blue states
I think reparations are possible, we have to organize and do more than just voting to make it happen though.
I imagine the hardest part would be determining who was harmed by slavery given that not everyone has records of it. I think it would be nice to do to put that shameful chapter of history behind us. Whatever dollar amount we come up with probably wouldn’t be sufficient for the generational wealth destroyed, but it would be an attempt at doing better and very symbolic.
I don’t think reparations would work as direct cash payments, I think they would work best as investments into black communities. Your reasoning is exactly why I support reparations though. We cannot fix the harm, but we can try to make it right.
Porque no las dos? Most folks who’ve looked into it have concluded that it will take direct cash payment as well as community investment and multiple other simultaneous efforts to fully catch the black community up to their white counterparts in terms of opportunities and generational wealth they’ve been denied access to, and to work against the culture of racism that made all that denial possible in the first place.
I think when most Americans think of reparations, they think of direct payments and no other remedies, so they get upset about it for all manners of reasons. When discussing reparations, it’s far easier to get people on board when you don’t talk about direct payments. Payments are part of the solution, but they won’t solve the problem. If we had to pick a single option, focusing on communities would have the strongest individual impact.
So any public works in a black community counts as reparations to you, but you also think none of that is happening?
Where the hell did you get that idea? Reparations would be separate from regular public works.
An example of what you discuss shows in the reparations to the Seminole tribe. Many freed slaves or escaped slaves never signed documentation (like a census for the tribe) as they were more worried about getting found/cheated etc. Last I knew there were court cases still open or closed in the past couple decades pertaining to such.
You’d need to mitigate the reparations paid by also calculating the generational loss of wealth over the same period by “unaffected” citizens.
What reparations should be paid for is for red lining, as that is a problem that is arguably still ongoing and which has impacts on today’s generational wealth recently enough to not have been reduced by the average loss of wealth over generational entropy, not to mention the parallel to the original promise of reparations “40 acres and a mule”, not sure how many urban black families would be looking forward to having basically a horse to now take care of but the value of land they were denied access to is deffo something that american black families would be greatly advanced by.
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Now that would be really hard to figure out, you’d have to determine what sort of jobs were done as slaves and how many hours. I don’t think slavers kept those sorts of records in the antebellum South.
Even granting the value of 40 acres and a mule plus 200 years of interest to descendants of slaves would be a challenge.
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Some speculate nothing at this point since generational wealth doesn’t tend to stick around for long,
The more sensible solution is instead paying reparations for red lining since the fiscal affects of that are directly observable today without argument over generational entropy, and because it’s arguably still ongoing.
If you really want to fuel the GOP, pass some reparations that cross generational lines. They will immediately point out how some recipients are squandering the money. Resentment will build. It will ignite latent racism. And then the Indigenous Peoples will want the same deal, and the Chinese, and then everyone who had a female ancestor treated as an inferior human will want their cut! You make one minority segment happy while sowing discontent among the rest. Reparations that are not directly related to the wrongs done to an individual are a slippery slope. There are better ways to deal with the inequities of the past.
I have an ancestors who was owed money from the king of England for a loan made in the 1700s. The bank handling the account said that the money had to be evenly divided among the descends. What started out as a literal kings ransom got down to under $10 when divided evenly.
The original slavey reparations was an acre of land and a mule. Divided equally, even assuming multiple slave ancestors, would be a few square feet and just enough mule hair to make brush. Reparations done on the scale of harm done equally divided would be insulting. Making things better for everyone is a much easier sell.
Thanks for the thorough list, that all seems like good stuff to me except I’d prefer reforming prisons and making them like the Nordic model instead of abolishing them.
prison abolition is uncomfortable at first, so I understand. Nordic prisons would be a massive improvement, but to me it’s just polishing a turd
So what are we going to do with actual terrible people? Murders, rapists, etc?
find and address the problems that cause people to behave that way, to prevent it from happening in the first place.
We absolutely can greatly reduce crime by doing that and should – but that’s not going to completely eliminate those crimes.
People are going to slip through the cracks, and sociopaths are still going to exist.
Yeah that’s nice and feel good but you can’t deny that there are people who behave badly because they’re just rotten people.
Domestic abusers are a key example, people go through the same supposed stressors that DV perps go through without belt whipping their kid for not being man enough at the age of 5.
Have an upvote for understanding systemic issues.
A big part of what makes our prisons so terrible and why we throw so many people into them has to do with the 13th amendment, as you acknowledged. If they cease to be profitable, if prisoners cannot be used as slave labor, a lot of what makes them terrible will evaporate. If every prisoner costs the state money, expect them to create fewer of them.
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Reparations: what’s your suggested plan for this?
I’m not a legislator. In general, I think they would look like substantial investments into black communities, rather than direct cash payments.
That sounds pretty reasonable.
Look over black families that trace back to at least one person who would have been eligible for New Deal and Post War housing benefits but did not receive them due to the colour of their skin or for living in a redlined neighborhood or other factors of the like, calculate an average benefit to each generation following from Americans who did get those benefits, and pay out accordingly to modern black and mixed race households.
It is debatable if there’s even money that could be paid back for slavery since those wages arguably may have already exhausted their extragenerational benefit, but redlining and housing benefits denial is a crime we can observe clearly in the present day, and who’s generational benefits are well argued to be still in hand for the families that did get them.
Tax break
Tax break for… people who can prove their family history traces back to a slave?
That’s where it will be caught up in the court system. You can’t just say “I’m black gimme money!” They’re going to want documentation that probably doesn’t exist or was destroyed
Also The ‘Chinese Railroad Worker’ descendants may raise a hand.
Yes? Also what fucking evidence are you expecting nobody kept their great great grandparents papers of sale. I know for a fact my ancestors were slaves, can’t prove shit though
Don’t cuss at me. That is exactly my point: that documentation is gone or never existed in the first place. It’s not like record keeping for slaves was very good.
No one is handing out free money without documentation. So that route won’t work.
It’s a tax break not free money. There are plenty of ways off the top of my head immigration records would record immigrated from Africa but not those that came in the slave trade. Plus I can show my family has been here for generations on top of that likely certain markers in DNA would show being African American vs being from Africa.
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Can’t tell if /s
There is a national black caucus that pretty well represents current black American issues before each election.
Muslim Americans are going to be so shocked when Trump strips their citizenship & expels them from the country of their birth.
It can happen here.
You guys seriously need to start talking about getting rid of your two party system
The #GOP is outlawing other methods of voting, so good fucking luck with that if you’re going to support Trump by staying at home.
Their choice remains: getting beaten up, deported or killed or just getting their issues ignored
Can someone please identify a few “Muslim issues” that are ignored by Democrats? I can’t seem to think of any political issues that could be considered “Muslim”
Yes.
Removing the Muslim ban (Biden delivered on this)
Civil Liberties for Muslim Americans (he won’t meet with Muslim rights groups like CAIR)
Prosecuting hate crimes against Muslims and mosques. (Biden only announced this month that he will get some experts together and make a new policy TBD. Not sure why he waited 3 years to announce he will start to deliver on a campaign promise…)
Evenhanded Israel-Palestine policy (he badly failed at this)
Support democracy in Middle East and Muslim majority countries (he’s failed at this)
ya, just remember if Biden doesn’t get in, the guy that unironically wants to send Muslims to camps will get in
no way to stop this says only country… oh no wait thats shootings.
what do you call a democratic system where you only have one choice?
see, you happen to be confusing having one not horrible choice with having no choice.
that is known as an ultimatum, which is indeed no choice at all
It’s American “democracy” in action
Clearly we need a different system, because it’s clear that Democrats will never make the types of change we need, and we sure as hell can’t vote Republican
It’s a farce
why are you relying on electoralism to enact change? no, you go out and vote every election so the least bad, and easier to work with government gets into power, not so you can sit back as they do everything
even in a multi party system, why would there be multiple parties that have similar demands?
you also again forget that you have a choice of following through with an ultimatum
Not sure why he waited 3 years to announce he will start to deliver on a campaign promise…
Common tactic. Delay working on vote-winning issues until the end of the first term for that sweet, oh so sweet, double dip.
I appreciate this!
Not American
In Canada Muslims vote Conservative
Recently a Liberal visited a Mosque and covered her hair/dressed up for it
They booed her and told her that Muslims will never vote for a pro-gay candidate
We had a nationwide march against gays/trans called the one million march for children, Christian and Muslim leaders joined together to organize it
Yeah that one million march shit is fucked
Source? I can’t find anything confirming what you’ve described.
https://www.1millionmarchforchildren.ca/about-the-organizers
“I believe (Crombie) should be only targeting LGBTQ votes. I can remember, though, the public statement Bonnie Crombie made about Haya day when we gathered to celebrate our pride about modesty and she sided with the LGBTQ community as if they are the only community worthy of celebrating pride, insulting the Muslim community who voted her to be a mayor of Mississauga.”
Thanks for your perspective!
Well many of them do seem to be pretty upset at the US giving military aid to Israel.
I completely overlooked that tbh, not my proudest moment.
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It occurred to me after I posted this that depicting “black voters” in a meme with a noose might be insensitive. What do you guys think? Did I do a racism?
Being hung isn’t exclusive to black people. I think you’ll be fine.
Though I’ve heard their dicks are larger than most.
Ah the ol’ bigdickaroo.
Hold my dick, I’m goin in!
given that it’s a very widespread meme format used exactly the way this meme presents itself, any meaning along those lines are incidental and not intended. Personally I give it a pass, though it’s possible there are people that don’t think the same and find it offensive
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
votes democrat for house and senate, votes republican for president
At least I get to see them fight each other while I get screwed over regardless
Also its funny because iirc most polls and studies have shown that Muslims are still equally split between both parties anyway.
False. Been an American Muslim voter for 20 years, and majority of American Muslims have voted Democratic ever since 2004 when they wanted to send a message to Bush. Since then you haven’t seen an election with Democrats getting less than 70% of the American Muslim vote.
I don’t know where you think or heard that Muslims are split, but that’s simply false and you can check exit polling in every US election since 2004 if you don’t believe me.
Same in the UK with Labour ayylmao
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Black folks aren’t marching in anti gay parades (see comment below).
So I feel like it’s kinda unfair
