Here and Here for sources that back up the claims made in this tweet. Additional source for backing up the number of journalists killed in the Vietnam war

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    100·
    10 months ago

    Israel bombed a press squad last week with all the right equipment and a clearly marked press sign on vehicle near the Lebanese border. There were no other people near them.

    The IDF terrorists could easily see from their drone that they were journalists. Yet they still bombed them. These are israeli terror attacks hoping to deter journalist from covering their war crimes.

    https://youtu.be/RIymozNfp4U?si=XPaurLdJgkO1VhC_

    Also this one nearly missing a squad of journalists is very a clearly Targeted IDF terror attack.

    https://youtu.be/tjtoslFkPm8?si=V_5LG-GcmJ3cTKz3

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      Not to justify them, but is it remotely possible their fear is that terrorists would likely label themselves as press in order to get close to targets?

      • lud@lemm.ee
        12·
        10 months ago

        I guess, but you can’t do around killing random civilians on the assumption that they are all terrorists.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        5·
        10 months ago

        If this was 2001 maybe. These days cameras from drones can count the grass leaves in a field.

        This is the same IDF terrorist group that shot Shireen Abu Akleh two years ago for no reason and then straight up lied they didn’t do it for half a year. And then they admitted they “might have done it” .

  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
    57·
    10 months ago

    During WWII American combat medics stopped wearing red crosses because Japanese soldiers would prioritize killing medics, which was a war crime. Seems like journalists might unfortunately need to stop marking themselves as journalists.

  • Z4rK@lemmy.worldEnglish
    25·
    10 months ago

    I can’t find any source for the numbers from Vietnam and WW2 in the linked sources.

    • Striker@lemmy.worldOP
      31·
      10 months ago

      The sources for Vietnam and WW2 are in the second link. It should be noted that nowadays there’s much more journalists than ever before. Unlike WW2 and Vietnam journalists were able to avoid areas of potential conflict more easily rather than in Gaza where Israels approach of bombing the shit out of the small strip of land has meant there virtually no place where a journalist reporting on their actions can safely do so.

      Also I added a third source to the post which corroborates the Vietnam estimate.

      • yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
        8·
        10 months ago

        I highly, highly doubt the numbers for WW2 are even remotely accurate. There is no source in the article.

        Quickly searching online reveals at least 48 dead mostly American and/or English journalists, although quite a few deaths cannot be considered war crimes even today - being aboard a bomber makes you a valid target I believe.

        Besides, where’s the number of killed axis journalists? Surely in Hiroshima there were a few dozen journalists, don’t you think?

  • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
    20·
    10 months ago

    As upsetting as that number is, this is an absolutely meaningless comparison and is pretty misleading to compare them. That number should stand on its own.

      • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
        16·
        10 months ago

        The number killed by itself does that is what I’m saying. Using WWII data has no purpose because this is an entirely different conflict and also is in the modern era.

        I mean consider how many more people now are journalists. Or how the conflict heavily involves civilian populations directly (WWII did some). Or how our data collection has changed.

        • LadyAutumnEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          World War 2 was the modern era lol. I think you meant “pre-information age”?

          And Vietnam had widespread and extensive news coverage throughout the conflict from multiple sides.

          • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
            9·
            10 months ago

            Not sure why this is so hard. Call the war of WWII part of the modern era of warfare if you’d like. I’m not defending Israel here to be clear, I just think this stat is not useful.

            Vietnam had plenty of coverage, but I listed all the other conflicting points that harm the data comparison. That specific war has always had problems being compared to other wars, let alone a one sided genocide.

            If people can’t see the difference in these data sets and why they aren’t easily comparable, that’s fine.

            • LadyAutumnEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              No I do see what you meant. There’s no easy comparison for what they’re doing here.

      • Apollo@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        10 months ago

        … unlike the participants of WW2, who were actively annihilating each others cities indiscriminately?

  • mob@lemmy.world
    13·
    10 months ago

    I know, this isn’t a fun question, but it’s honest curiosity…

    Do you think a contributing factor in the number difference is the amount of modern “journalist”? Like bloggers being considered journalists?

    But in the end, it’s all fucked up and every death is a tragedy, no matter the profession or side.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      13·
      10 months ago

      I googled the names of a few of these guys and they got pictures with the blue “bulletproof” press outfit on and are real journalists.

      Sadly these people don’t seem to be random bloggers.

  • Chemical Wonka@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    12·
    10 months ago

    This artificial Zionist State that proclaims itself “Israel” has nothing to do with the biblical Israel that the great Christian mass believes in. Get real

    • NounsAndWords@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 months ago

      IDK. They have a conservative government. This is the type of “shoot first, don’t ask questions” mentality they use. This is what it would look like if Bush (either one) or Regan were running the show. Get the conservative warmongers out of power and they’re just like everyone else.

  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
    10·
    10 months ago

    Conclusion is, there are a lot more journalists around war situations now, willing to take a lot of risk, than there were in older days.

    Joke asside though, it’s too many deaths, not only on journalists but in all

  • speaker_hat@lemmy.one
    9·
    10 months ago

    ❌ Your 1st source is a “News” website, Qatari funded, called Aljazeera (Fun fact: Hamas leaders are now in refuge in Qatar, and Qatar pays them $ billions paying them). This News website cannot be used as a neutral source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

    ❌ Your 2nd source doesn’t specify whether it was Israel or Hamas who killed them. There is no proof in the article.

    Your post is clearly biased against Israel and cannot be considered a source of truth.

    My condolences for all the people hurted from this war.

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
    6·
    10 months ago

    Those that target journalists are declaring war on the truth itself

    Very poetic and all, but utterly devoid of pragmatism. The western world has lost its thread and failed to understand the importance of its moral positioning.

    Wikileaks

    Snowden

    Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi

    The west and western journalism have learned and presented as fact all the wrong lessons from this time in history. We need stronger protections for journalism and free speech and assuming the value of morality to be enough to protect them clearly has not been working.

      • Zorque@kbin.social
        16·
        10 months ago

        They’re mad because no one is mad in the way they’re mad. It’s a persistent and dangerous position, where if people aren’t agreeing with them wholeheartedly and in exactly the same way, they’re clearly arguing against the person.