• YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    The United States could have just taken all of Mexico, but it didn’t. It paid for the land. The population of the western states was made up of Americans anyhow, less than a thousand Mexican citizens lived in those areas at the time.

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          11 months ago

          If a guy takes your car at gunpoint, and then hands you a fiver, he did not just “buy your car”.

          A peace treaty at the end of a war of conquest is not a “purchase agreement”.

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            11 months ago

            You are assuming a lot, especially that Mexico had a functional government even before their Army slaughters settlers in Texas.

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              11 months ago

              Moving the goal posts now?

              It was okay to launch a war of conquest because the Mexican government was weak?

              All because a bunch of American slave owners invaded Texas and started a war of “independence”.

              But there’s more to the story. Mostly Santa Anna. He became a national hero for beating back attempts at conquest by both Spain and France. He became president and then sparked a multi-front civil war by centralizing power in his own hands…

              But yes, he also killed some slavers. Boo hoo.

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                11 months ago

                Nope, just saying your missing A LOT historically. What doesn’t change is that the west was purchased for $10 million.

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                  A bit rich, considering you refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that the Mexican-American war was one of open conquest.

                  The entire justification for the war was Mexico refusing to sell the land that the US wanted, so James K. Polk sent 80 soldiers into Mexican territory, then launched a war when Mexico easily overwhelmed them.

                  The war went badly for Mexico, because it was still recovering from a civil war, the Texas revolution, multiple invasions attempts by Spain and France, and their own war of independence against Spain.

                  The US actually took Mexico City, but decided not to just take the entire country because they didn’t want to get into a long, drawn out occupation that would have sapped resources and manpower.

                  The Spanish had learned that Mexico is impossible to hold through force. A lesson the French would learn under Napoleón III.

                  The US at the time was smart enough to not even try.

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                    11 months ago

                    The United States never wanted Mexico. Thus it bought the parts of Mexico that it’s citizens were already moving to. It could have just taken it through conquest but it didn’t.

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      11 months ago

      Someone: puts a gun to your head and says “I’ll give you $4 for your car”.

      You: “This is a free and fair trade.”

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        11 months ago

        That wasn’t the case, the Mexican government was run as an oligarchy. The United States threat was to threaten to turn over their lands to the public.

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      The US took most of the land from Mexico that was worth taking. There’s little viable agricultural land south of Texas. Also, it put a lot of land in between Mexico and New Orleans, which is an incredibly important international port. With that secured, no foreign army would be able to threaten that port without major logistics challenges, much less fighting through the US Army and every local citizen with a gun.

      The US grabbed what it wanted and let Mexico keep the scraps.

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        11 months ago

        That is looking at it from today, not from how it was viewed then. The main reason Mexico was fine with selling was the massive desert that separated the two areas and the extremely violent native population that inhabited the region. That reason didn’t become peaceful until the 1920s.