sure it’s a lack of self control, if i had better self control i could force myself to go to bed at 21:00 and lie there for 2 hours until i fall asleep out of tortured boredom, and then i could force myself out of bed at 07:00 despite my limbs feeling like lead and every movement bringing me abject misery and pain!
What’s wild is that you’ll see them get a night job, or have to stay up late on vacation a few times and they’ll be 100/10 miserable af. Never adapt to it, and still keep believing iTs aLl SeLf DiScIpLInE
Well what it ‘proves’ to them is that mankind is supposed to follow the exact same routine that works for them. My Dad was forever saying “Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.” Died when he was 45.
He didn’t have a ton of money certainly. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a complete idiot but I think that even the example I’ve given so far argues against any claim to sagacity.
My dad is still among us, even though I grew up with his take on it, loosely translated:
Early awake, early asleep. That brings health to every weeb.
It’s possible that he already translated it from English (your dad’s saying or an unknown variation of it), and that I’ve now translated it back to English, for each translation moving a bit further away from the original meaning in order to keep it rhyming. (I wrote “weeb” to make it rhyme, my dad’s version said “boy”.)
There’s actually a genetic bias on it. It can be overridden, but you’ll always feel a bit burnt out from it. It also changes with age (teenagers are the latest, getting earlier as you age.
I’m the same way. If I fall asleep at 10pm but wake up at 6am I’m absolutely miserable for the first hour, but if I go to sleep at 2am and wake up at 10am I’m refreshed and in a good mood most of the time. I’m 30 and it hasn’t gotten any better with age yet.
I had to get up at 05:30 during my teenage years to get to school in time, which was horrible. If I slept in, I could easily sleep til noon or even later. Now that I’m older, I usually wake up around 08:00, even on weekends.
I had the opposite experience a few years ago, I am very much a night owl.
I did a job that required me in the office for 7am for a few months, I was noticeably less effective for the whole duration, I was just slower at everything and was basically constantly tired. Switched back to getting in for 9-10am and the difference was night and day, as basically I was back to my old levels of effectiveness after a day or two.
I just think I’m one of these people that cannot adapt, or at least if I do, it comes with a cost.
I’m a night owl and even early morning acclimatization hasn’t helped.
There were a few months that I had to do 12.5 hour shift work where I had to be at work at 5:30 AM and I was miserable the entire time. It’s hard to adjust when your natural cycle is like 10 am to 2 am.
We did week about shifts. That meant earlies for a week, nights, then lates. Every week you had to change your sleep pattern.
I liked earlies to nights because long weekend (finish 11am Fri start 10am Mon) and a fun “adaptation” that required me to stay up as late as I possibly could on Sunday night. I’d drink, smoke and play games with US chums (UK here) until 3 or 4am and then sleep as late as possible.
It fucking sucked but I did it for a good decade. Then managed to wangle permanent 6-2 shift.
It was a revelation.
Suddenly I had a regular sleep pattern. It was hard to train, but I managed to get a good 6 hours a night most nights. Which was good, I’ve always suffered insomnia for lots of reasons, so I managed to become one of those people that survives on minimal sleep. More sleep was amazing.
I’ve kind of got it down nowadays, thanks in no small part to some pills I was given for my restless legs. They make me drowsy, so if I take them at the right time I can force a sleep pattern, and they stop me kicking my wife up the arse when I’m asleep.
Back to your point after a trip through the weeds, I now do 2 week late shift and 2 week early shift, there’s a permanent night shift at this new place.
When I’m on the early shift I wake up at 5am on the Saturday and Sunday without fail. Once I forgot to set my alarm for work and woke up a minute before it should have gone off. Years of the early shift have honed my wake up time to a knife edge.
Sometimes on the weekend I can’t get back to sleep for various reasons, so it’s not an uncommon sight to find me gaming on my PC at 7am on a Sunday morning. I don’t want to be there, but it’s kinda nice having the peace and quiet of being a night owl with the sun up and a sleep cycle behind instead of in front of you.
Morning people, in my experience at least, firmly believe that night people are just morning people with insufficient self-discipline.
Lmao, 100%. I swear most folks I know believe being a night owl is simply a lack of self control, or they have a screw loose
sure it’s a lack of self control, if i had better self control i could force myself to go to bed at 21:00 and lie there for 2 hours until i fall asleep out of tortured boredom, and then i could force myself out of bed at 07:00 despite my limbs feeling like lead and every movement bringing me abject misery and pain!
What’s wild is that you’ll see them get a night job, or have to stay up late on vacation a few times and they’ll be 100/10 miserable af. Never adapt to it, and still keep believing iTs aLl SeLf DiScIpLInE
Well what it ‘proves’ to them is that mankind is supposed to follow the exact same routine that works for them. My Dad was forever saying “Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.” Died when he was 45.
To quote Yakko Warner:
eh, all my friends go to bed at like 9pm lmao
So do I. Don’t tell anyone.
Was he wealthy or wise?
He didn’t have a ton of money certainly. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a complete idiot but I think that even the example I’ve given so far argues against any claim to sagacity.
My dad is still among us, even though I grew up with his take on it, loosely translated:
It’s possible that he already translated it from English (your dad’s saying or an unknown variation of it), and that I’ve now translated it back to English, for each translation moving a bit further away from the original meaning in order to keep it rhyming. (I wrote “weeb” to make it rhyme, my dad’s version said “boy”.)
There’s actually a genetic bias on it. It can be overridden, but you’ll always feel a bit burnt out from it. It also changes with age (teenagers are the latest, getting earlier as you age.
As a night person who has to wake up at 6am, I can absolutely confirm. I’m always tired.
I’m the same way. If I fall asleep at 10pm but wake up at 6am I’m absolutely miserable for the first hour, but if I go to sleep at 2am and wake up at 10am I’m refreshed and in a good mood most of the time. I’m 30 and it hasn’t gotten any better with age yet.
Fuck mornings I hate them so much.
44 and still this way 2am-10am is pretty much my dream schedule.
Unfortunately I have a child.
I have to wake up early too. The good part is I don’t even remember the first hour of work and once I’m awake I only have to work for 7 more hours.
Edit: nevermind, I can’t math.
Yeah no matter what time I go to bed, if I have to wake up before 8 in the morning I’ll be tired. I’m just not built for early mornings
For anyone curious about it, here are some sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6084759/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08259-7
I had to get up at 05:30 during my teenage years to get to school in time, which was horrible. If I slept in, I could easily sleep til noon or even later. Now that I’m older, I usually wake up around 08:00, even on weekends.
Til I’m still going through my teenage years. I’m straight up nocturnal now. I wasn’t as a teenager.
I used to be a night owl, then I had a job that required me to get up at 5:30. It sucked for 2 weeks and now I’m a morning person.
I had the opposite experience a few years ago, I am very much a night owl.
I did a job that required me in the office for 7am for a few months, I was noticeably less effective for the whole duration, I was just slower at everything and was basically constantly tired. Switched back to getting in for 9-10am and the difference was night and day, as basically I was back to my old levels of effectiveness after a day or two.
I just think I’m one of these people that cannot adapt, or at least if I do, it comes with a cost.
I’m a night owl and even early morning acclimatization hasn’t helped.
There were a few months that I had to do 12.5 hour shift work where I had to be at work at 5:30 AM and I was miserable the entire time. It’s hard to adjust when your natural cycle is like 10 am to 2 am.
I’ve done all the shifts and it fucking sucks.
We did week about shifts. That meant earlies for a week, nights, then lates. Every week you had to change your sleep pattern.
I liked earlies to nights because long weekend (finish 11am Fri start 10am Mon) and a fun “adaptation” that required me to stay up as late as I possibly could on Sunday night. I’d drink, smoke and play games with US chums (UK here) until 3 or 4am and then sleep as late as possible.
It fucking sucked but I did it for a good decade. Then managed to wangle permanent 6-2 shift.
It was a revelation.
Suddenly I had a regular sleep pattern. It was hard to train, but I managed to get a good 6 hours a night most nights. Which was good, I’ve always suffered insomnia for lots of reasons, so I managed to become one of those people that survives on minimal sleep. More sleep was amazing.
I’ve kind of got it down nowadays, thanks in no small part to some pills I was given for my restless legs. They make me drowsy, so if I take them at the right time I can force a sleep pattern, and they stop me kicking my wife up the arse when I’m asleep.
Back to your point after a trip through the weeds, I now do 2 week late shift and 2 week early shift, there’s a permanent night shift at this new place.
When I’m on the early shift I wake up at 5am on the Saturday and Sunday without fail. Once I forgot to set my alarm for work and woke up a minute before it should have gone off. Years of the early shift have honed my wake up time to a knife edge.
Sometimes on the weekend I can’t get back to sleep for various reasons, so it’s not an uncommon sight to find me gaming on my PC at 7am on a Sunday morning. I don’t want to be there, but it’s kinda nice having the peace and quiet of being a night owl with the sun up and a sleep cycle behind instead of in front of you.