Well, this escalated quickly. So is this the end, or will the mods create an OpenAI megathread? ;)

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    This soap opera just got another twist! It’s like clockwork, considering how Microsoft has invested before in OpenAI and Bing uses their technology.

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      I’d say this is an amazing result for MS. Not only is their investment mostly Azure credits, so OpenAI is dependent on MS, now they also got Altman and his followers for themselves for more research.

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          Don’t be too worried about AGI being a thing in the short. And the only thing which I find to suck with respect to consolidation is that contemporary AI requires a lot of hardware thrown at it while cloud services (providing this hardware on demand) are practically the same triopoly. That sucks if you want to be the next AI startup. But academia is mostly unaffected, and far from lagging behind (multiple open source LLMs are compelling alternatives to chatgpt and not benefitting from OpenAI’s millions of marketing and hype doesn’t make them less valuable)

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              To help you out with the monopolistic/capitalist concern: https://simonwillison.net/2023/May/4/no-moat/
              tl;dr: OpenAI’s edge with ChatGPT is essentially minor (according to the people from within), and the approach of building ever larger and inflexible models is challenged by (technologically more accessible and available) smaller and more agile models

              Imagine a future where most fast food jobs have been replaced by AI-powered kiosks and drive-thrus.

              Funny you bring this one up :)
              https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

              Imagine a future where most customer service jobs have been replaced by AI-powered video chat kiosks. Imagine a future where most artistic commission work is completed by algorithms.

              To a large extent, we have been there for a long time:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

              This, and the theory of bullshit jobs:
              https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

              were formative reads to me.

              The end-game is pretty clear: we have reached the limits to the model on which our current society is built (working jobs to earn money to spend money to live). We now have excess supply of the essential goods to sustain lives and scarcity of jobs at the same time. We will have soon to either accept that working isn’t a mean to an end (accept universal basic income and state interventionism), or enter a neofedalism era where resources are so consolidated that the illusion of scarcity can be maintain and justify the current system (which essentially the bullshit-jobs is all about).

              It’s perhaps the most important societal reform our species will know, and nobody’s preparing for it :)

              Imagine a future where all the news and advertising you read or watch is generated specifically to appeal to you by algorithms.

              This is already the case today:
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble

              And this is already weaponized (e.g. TikTok’s algorithm trying to steer the youth towards education and science in China and towards … something completely different in the rest of the world).

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                  It doesn’t really matter if Microsoft/OpenAI are the only ones with the underlying technology as long as the only economically feasible way to deploy the tech at scale is to rely on one of the big 3 cloud providers (Amazon, Google, Microsoft).

                  Yup, but as the “no moat” link I posted implied, at least for LLMs, it might not be required to spend very much in hardware to be almost as good as ChatGPT, so that’s some good news.

                  Are you saying you’re cool with neofeudalism? Or just agreeing that this is yet another inevitable (albeit lamentable) step towards it?

                  Oh, crap, no, sorry if I wasn’t clear. I believe we are at the crossroads with not much in the middle between our society evolving into extensive interventionism, taxation and wealth redistribution (to support UBI and other schemes for the increasingly large unemployable population) or neufeudalism. I don’t want billionaires and warlords to run the place, obviously. And I’m warry about how the redistribution would go with our current politicians and the dominant mindset associating individual merit to wealth and individualistic entrepreneurship.

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    Wow, the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish train is now down to 4 days. That’s impressive!

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        Do we know that for sure? What if the triggering event was secret dealings between Altman and Nadella?

        I have no idea how likely that is, but the original messaging around Altman’s firing seemed to leave open the possibility that this was about conflicts of interest. The messaging since seems to have contradicted that, though, so who knows.

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    Microsoft is hiring former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and co-founder Greg Brockman.

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        The article was updated over time and is way longer now, but yeah the bot did a stellar job here lol

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          I’m sure he did his best! Jokes aside, it’s a very useful bot most of the time that actually saves me a lot of time! Edit: Also, you’re right: There’s a point of shortness of an article where there is just no more text that could be removed without information getting lost.