• rsuri@lemmy.world
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    It’s like everyone’s opinion is “my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering”. No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.

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      It’s not even “my tribe”.

      Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It’s just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!

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        Friendly reminder that a defining characteristic of a fascist is drawing hard in-group out-group lines.

        (And another is the fetishization and glorification of violence against the out-group)

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                Ah yes, the “I have a black friend” defense.

                I have Jewish friends, so I trust you won’t call me antisemitic for saying Israel is structurally racist and authoritarian.

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                    Why would a Jew choose to live in the West Bank when there’s a much more pleasant country next door offering them citizenship? Your analogy is so flawed I have a hard time thinking you’re making it in good faith.

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                    Wasn’t Hitlers physician at one point a Jewish person? I don’t think one example is really all that telling.

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              Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer. Friends say I am on the spectrum but the Psychologist said that doesn’t seem to be the case.

              Like, OP1 is lame, OP2 supports genocide, etc. to clarify within a thread without having to quote or @ which I find a bit clumsy and generally gets in the way of flow.

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                This sounds like a great idea!

                I’ll clarify, I’m just putting out a reminder that being fascist is not an inherent trait, like green eyes or dark skin. Literally anyone can fall into the trap of fascist thinking. The only way to be truly anti-fascist is to recognize the warning signs in your own thoughts and worldview.

                So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don’t demonize the practice of seeing both sides. Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

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                    For sure I think Nazis and Tankies are both gross, and I have a kind of out-group bias against them, but I never advocate for violence against them.

                    Except maybe punching Nazis, but nothing serious damaging or life threatening.

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                  So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don’t demonize the practice of seeing both sides.

                  Wise words.

                  It’s how Peace is achieved.

                  Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

                  And War, and death.

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                Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer.

                For comments, that’s how I do it.

                Throw one, too, or three asterisks around each side of the sentence you want to highlight.

                No need for special verbage or nomenclature. It’s done visually.

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                  Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing. There’s a coherence that is lost.

                  I’m accustomed to reading books or essays where there might be an excerpt, but more likely a paraphrase of what the author considers their opponent’s argument to be. This makes it helpful at times to pinpoint a misunderstanding in the author.

                  But yeah, having consistent rules on the internet for posting is a losing battle I think. More or less thinking out loud, appreciate the comment.

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                    Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing.

                    No, It doesn’t have to.

                    You can just write it out straight, without formatting, and then after you’re done that go back and add the asterisks to emphasize the parts that you want to emphasize, already having your thoughts jotted down.

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            My mind is open to considering this. Where is the line I’m drawing, which is the in-group and which is the out-group?

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          Would that still count if it’s “In group = civilians” " out group = organizations killing civilians"?

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      I wish two groups of people determined to kill each other could take it away from the civilian population, to say nothing of using human shields and attacking irrespective of potential collateral damage and non combatant deaths

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        More like two groups of people determined to kill civilian populations. Keeping it away from civilians would defeat the whole purpose.

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      Humans are manipulable, especially in large numbers. Humans are violent, but not irrational. It takes convincing for that.

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          Individually, humans are erratic, not irrational. Seeing action without reason is very rare, the thing is that the reason that lead them is often flawed. Group dynamics are a whole different beast tho, they could be described as irrational.