As it stands right now, individual mods have way too much power to fuck up the platform by banning people for political reasons and the modlog is not even remotely adequate in providing a full story on such actions. This isn’t too big of an issue now, but as certain instances have proven, it has the potential to become a federation-wide problem if it’s allowed to continue.
On reddit, the platform Lemmy was made to replace, removals are logged (r/undelete) so that any interested party may look into them, the users are warned of the action so that they know not to behave as such, and the affected parties can (in practice, most mods will just instantly mute you) have a chance to appeal. Here, your posting history is instantly wiped out with no chance of seeing the light of day, you’re given a nebulous reason in the mod log, if any, and you have zero tools for correcting an erroneous action. You’re just wiped out instantly with most of the people you’ve interacted with not even having knowledge that you’re gone.
There’s also an issue where removing a comment which is rightfully due for removal (for example: dogwhistled bigotry) also removes any comments below it explaining why the original comment is bad. This leads to a situation where mods are either forced to either keep up the hateful rhetoric alongside its callout, or remove the comment while also wiping out the educating material. This is an example where I feel redacting could be an acceptable option to keep the community safe while also allowing bigots to face the music for their shitty views.
The tools Lemmy provides to deal with evil on the platform are opaque and inadequate, and have high potential for being used in bad faith by bad actors seeking to destroy the platform itself, and have even caused friction among users in good faith in the past (as many warring instances, federating and defederating have shown) Ultimately a healthy federation comes from having moderation tools which protect the average person from being exposed to evil, while also giving a complete picture to those want to look into the why and how of a removal.
And for the love of god, if an instance bans you, please don’t require you dig your own grave by having to block each and every community from that instance manually, one by one.
Thanks for bringing this up.
I do not see this type of post too often, which should be important when trying to be better than other social media.
Some sites hide comment or post behind a warning, sucks but better than deleting.
Yes, modlog is really bare bones.
Awesome to see this discussion continue, while also seeing many different views on this topic!
The reason you don’t see many posts like this is because it’s just starting to become a problem now, I’ve been watching the mod log and 99.9999% of removals have been good faith and something everyone can agree on. I’ve also seen some people get dinged for antisemitism for calling out Israeli Apartheid, and a few cases of an instance/community flat out removing content because one of the mods/admins has a problem with the user. They’re rare now but that isn’t always going to be the case, especially as the platform grows and especially as trolls start to target the platform. Increased transparency and accountability will give the community an opportunity to keep abusive mods/instances in check. Ultimately, instances have the right to moderate on ideology, but people deserve to know what’s going on so they can avoid instances that go against their principals.
Yes, bad actors or testers of rules will always be a thing when discussing the best kind of topics.
Rules get updated also, so I know I need to keep a look out so as not to make simple mistakes within communties.
Thanks for adding further into your reason for posting!
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OK i’ll admit it, you got me for a bit
I ain’t saying you’re wrong or your points are invalid, but bear in mind that Lemmy is a very young piece of software. It will evolve to cope with these kind of issues and if the lead devs don’t step up, then - as was seen in the near-recent CSAM attacks - the community will and develop it’s own set of tools/plug-ins.
All social media type software goes through a kind of perpetual arms-race with bad actors and whilst it’s not impossible, it’s often very difficult to anticipate what method the next lot of bad actors will chose to attack the lemmyverse with.
There is this proposal about feedback on moderator actions, and didn’t see a request for adding an ability to appeal , maybe open a issue?
I don’t suppose anyone has made something like a lemmy equivalent of removeddit or the like?
Something that grabs modlogs and now hidden comments directly from people’s profiles to put removed stuff back in context?
