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          Okay, how do you assess that harm has occurred?

          I claim that your post just harmed me. You should be excluded from the social contact.

          You violated the rules my god laid down. Harmful to me and all my fellow believers. You’re out.

          Your flagrant homosexuality is harming my children. Excluded.

          Your campaign to take away my guns is harming me and all my descendants. I was just minding my own business until you came along with your intolerant gun removal policies. Excluded! Burn him.

          This only solves the dilemma in a trivial way, if harm is transparent and uncontentious. It doesn’t address the real dilemma, which is widespread disagreement about what should and shouldn’t be tolerated.

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            Diffuse sanctions carried out by the community. And if the community all falls in agreement with such lunacy, you have much bigger problems than how you handle tolerance.

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          To exapand on the original who: all of us. We are all executors of the social contract.

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      You all are right now. I bet a lot of Nazis are minding their own business, just being a racist in a corner somewhere. Maybe hiding from the leftists who think they have the balls to punch somebody.

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        I bet a lot of Nazis are minding their own business, just being a racist in a corner somewhere. Maybe hiding from the leftists who think they have the balls to punch somebody.

        Sounds like it’s working then =)

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          But you’re being intolerant of someone doing nothing in a corner. So you’re violating the social contract, so you should be excluded.

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            But you’re being intolerant of someone doing nothing in a corner. So you’re violating the social contract, so you should be excluded.

            Except no, that’s not true.

            If the Nazi is keeping their abhorrent views to themselves in the corner, because they’re scared to voice them for fear of the repercussions, then I wouldn’t even know, now would I? The repercussions worked.

            Come on bud, it’s your own hypothetical, try to keep it straight.

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              Ok ‘Bud’. The fact that there are repercussions is what is being discussed. The Nazis intentions aren’t relevant. Maybe he is in the corner to plan the 23rd Reich. But if you’re out to harm someone just for sitting in a corner minding their own business, that is a violation of the contract outlined above.

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                … I think you’re mistaking what I’m saying, or hallucinating something I haven’t said.

                Nowhere have I said I’m out to harm someone minding their own business. In fact, I’ve said basically the opposite.

                The fact that they are sitting in the corner keeping their abhorrent beliefs to themselves is a good thing. Because the consequences for trying to act on them or spread them are working.

                In other words… As long as they do keep that to themselves, then there are no consequences for them. It’s only if they act on those beliefs or try to spread them, do people act in return.

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                  Because my original point wasn’t replying to you

                  “Do you actively encourage harm to others minding their own fucking business.”

                  The implication being that breaks the social contract.

                  You’re all actively encouraging people to punch Nazis.

                  You’re all breaking the social contract.

                  Paradox of Intolerance.

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                    Because my original point wasn’t replying to you

                    Yet you’re still throwing around broad accusations.

                    You’re all actively encouraging people to punch Nazis.

                    If they act like Nazis.

                    Don’t try and massage what people are saying to mean something they haven’t said.

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        Racism isn’t an intrinsic, non-visible behavior. Racists act externally to other members of society. They don’t sit in their own corner.