The mainstream media has really been harping on Biden’s age lately. But they often forget to mention that the reason age is important is that it’s an indicator of health and mental acuity. Trump is almost as old, but if you ignore age and directly compare Biden and Trump on the actual important factors, health and mental acuity, Biden comes out far ahead.
If the choice actually comes down to Biden or Trump, and if you were only basing your vote on their health today, you’d be an idiot to vote for Trump. That would be on top of all of the other, much more important reasons to prefer Biden to Trump. Like they say in the article, Biden’s agenda is popular. And on the other hand, Trump is a fascist fraudster sexually abusive criminal who already came within inches of overthrowing our government.
The question is. People want neither, as they’re both, very, very, very old
The problem is that the real choice in 2024 will be to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is, whether it’s Biden or not, or you can vote for whoever the Republican candidate will be.
But among the Republican candidates, only Chris Christie is willing to tell the truth about January 6. Politically, I don’t agree with Christie, but he’s literally the only Republican candidate who is not actively trying to destroy our country. But if you think age is an important factor, and the GOP comes to its senses and doesn’t nominate Trump, in all likelihood, you’ll end up with somebody who is actively trying to destroy our country.
It’s a fucking disaster. On top of that, look at Ronald Reagan. He started having memory problems during his second term, and publicly he did fine, because he surrounded himself with people who would cover for him. If Biden starts having problems, we can decide what to do at that point.
Do I think age should be an important factor in elections? Yes. But it can’t be a factor in 2024 because it will throw us all over a cliff.
I dont know why Biden gets so much hate. He has been a fantastic president so far. Could he have done more? Sure, but I dont understand why the hate. They say “hold my nose” to vote for him… like wtf why?
Yeah I’m right there with you. Biden has accomplished a lot. I don’t agree with everything he’s said or done but as a whole he’s done a fantastic job turning America around. If he can beat Trump once he can beat him again and that is paramount. Plus it gives dems another 4 years to start pushing younger more progressive candidates into the spotlight.
What if the GOP replaces Trump? There are a lot of ways he could become unelectable in the next year. So how would Biden do against a fresh Republican candidate? (My guess is Biden could lose if he doesn’t have the “anyone but Trump” vote, so I hope the Dems have a fresh candidate of their own ready to take up the torch soon.)
GOP is locked in. Their base won’t accept anyone else.
I think the GOP has rolled out it’s freshest candidates and they are running now.
They won’t bring in a new candidate, if Trump can’t run he will cut a deal with Desantis and back him under an arrangement that Desantis pardons Trumps charges. Desantis is not a platform that will help the American people.
Don’t forget Trump is dragging the Republican party down, big time. - he will destroy the country. He has allowed those who are enemies of the constitution to come out of the closet and attack democracy.
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A lot of people don’t understand how hard it is to fix things with a hostile Supreme Court and an obstructive congress. To the people saying “both sides are the same because Biden has only managed to clean up a few of Trump’s messes”, how would you do it instead? Biden has decades of experience, and he’s trying. Do you honestly believe someone else could do better?
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If Bernie got elected hard-line progressives would be throwing themselves off their roofs onto the grass outside their mothers houses for how little he’s done and how all politicians are the same lol.
Because he’s just there to maintain the status quo in a system that’s been pushed to the brink and is no longer providing for the people participating in said system.
Also he’s so, so fucking old.
We someone to bring about a ton of meaningful change, and fast. Biden isn’t the one to do it.
We someone to bring about a ton of meaningful change, and fast. Biden isn’t the one to do it.
Our system is not designed to do this. So really no one is, unless we are going to throw the whole system out.
He’s not been perfect, of course, but he’s been pretty good. And more importantly because he has a ton of experience and connections, he’s been pretty effective. Again, all within the system we have.
So unless we are going to throw the whole system out, it’s hard to say you are going to get a more effective candidate than Biden.
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Why do you think the left is becoming radicalized?
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Axelrod and a bunch of the ‘conservative’ left really, really dislike Kamala and fear her as a president.
I’m definitely more of a progressive than a democrat and I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term. I feel like the media is trying to create a crisis here.
Not just the media but also… Am I the only one frustrated by the amount of “voting for Biden is dumb” posts on Lemmy? Yeah, he sucks, I don’t like him. He’s basically a 1950s Republican from back when they at least pretended to have some standards and acted like the government could occasionally do things. That’s not inspiring.
But what’s the play here? Don’t vote at all? Vote for Trump but ironically? I don’t get it. Voting is NOT the only thing you can do, and it’s not the only thing you SHOULD be doing, but it’s still a thing you absolutely should do.
I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term.
That may work for us, but we absolutely need to get some people excited and motivated, or they’ll just stay home, handing the election to Trump…
The problem here is you are voting because you are afraid of a Trump second term rather than voting for a candidate that is qualified for the position.
If you are more of an independent and look at a crazy person on one side and a senile sun downing person on the other the choice is more of a 50 50.
The Democrats are playing with fire and doing undemocratic plays to keep viable candidates out of the race and hide a compromised Biden instead of having an open primary and that might cost all of regardless of who actually wins.
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I’m not playing down the seriousness of Trump’s actions. I’m just making the case that even with Trump on trial right now he’s leading in polls because Biden is so out of touch with what the base needs right now. It’s so bad that other prominent Democrats are calling out their own party and asking Biden to step down because they see it’s a liability.
My point is independents see both parties and candidates and the party in power are making it so Biden, who is unpopular, is the default to the point they are taking away Iowa’s first super Tuesday as a primary state.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/01/us/politics/biden-dnc-primary-south-carolina-2024.html
The reason why is they don’t want any potential primary candidate to work up the ranks, which is undemocratic.
Whoa, wait, you mean Trump in in touch with what the everyday joe needs?
That’s a deeper question and not what I was talking about but as a fake populist? Yeah, in the eyes of his base. He’s really good at messaging and straight up lying about being pro worker and for the people.
I feel the current administration has done tangible things policy wise to help people but the Democrats don’t know how to take a victory lap when they accomplish these achievements.
I think the general population, indicated by recent polls, think Biden is too old and not up to do a second term. They want anybody else to run against Trump.
the issue is you are thinking I’m cheerleading Trump and that’s not my intention. Im pointing out that there is voting block that is ready to sit out over the lack of enthusiasm for Biden and hatred for the political institutions that haven’t helped the average voter over the years.
It’s how Trump got elected in the first place.
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I think it’s already a disservice that we’re allowing this to be the narrative. Biden is certainly no spring chicken, but he’s nowhere close to “sun-downing” or “old man screaming at clouds” and this narrative only works because republicans are better at messaging by a mile, and Biden has and has had a stutter his entire life.
And though he’s no where near progressive enough for my tastes, he’s probably got the most progressive record of just about any modern president.
Tbh if we want to get somewhere, we’d stop letting Republican talking points turn into the framing for everyone else. The topic of Biden’s age now dominates any discussion about him on either side, as if Trump isn’t basically the same age, and actually frequently showing more and more real signs of senility, never mind the whole “criminal, rapist, insurrectionist, traitor using state secrets to curry favor.”
Hiliary’s loss can be chalked up to similar reasons, of course tossing in a hefty, heft dose of misogyny. We let RBF and “but her emails” turn into this mess.
Like, why are we doing far right republican’s messaging for them?
Okay but the other side is a senile sundowning crazy person. We act like Biden is so much older than Trump but it’s only three years.
Oh for sure. Trump is high as balls on uppers and a cocktail of meds to have him bounce off the wall at rallys, I just wish Trump would let Biden take a hit off of whatever he’s using.
I think it’s about optics and looking at Biden on stage wandering around and falling down stairs/over his own words vs Trump who’s shitting on all of his opponents and captivating his base it’s resonating with a base that’s fed up.
I think Biden policy wise is a lot better than any president we have had in recent memory (chips act, leaving Afghanistan, covid relief, cares act, TRYING to get student debt relief) but the general population in today’s age needs to have a politician message to them what their party is actually doing for them and Biden and his admin of fail on that level so often.
Thanks for pointing out Biden’s record. He has been able to get a lot accomplished and I hate always seeing the fascist’s messaging has permeated so deeply that everyone calls Biden senile…
He is senile. That doesn’t mean I don’t like his administrations policies and that doesn’t take away that he has done more for a progressive agenda than what was expected.
He’s on the same path as Regan was with his age, the difference is social media wasn’t a thing so they could hide Regan easier.
Anyone ever see the orange Mussolini on a bicycle?
Well I’m not an independent and I completely disagree that the choice is 50/50. I have seen what Trump did to this country and I believe it is vital that we do not allow him to have a second term. There are plenty of issues with Biden but they pale in comparison to what Trump will do if re-elected. You are damn right I’m afraid of a second term with him. He almost destroyed our democracy during his first term. Just look at the shit he is outright saying he will do if re-elected.
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Sorry I prefer a senile person to a political strongman
I hope others feel the same as you but I’ve lost faith in the electorial college and the two parties a long time ago.
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It’s really not that close though, when the crazy person has such a history of fraud and corruption, is such a danger to our country, our society, has been so dividing, whose policies are responsible for so many pandemic deaths, so beholden to corporate interests and foreign dictators, etc. His approach to governing is a three year old throwing a tantrum and smashing Lego sets
Oh no, there is a crisis.
It’s an incredibly idiotic one. But it exists.
I’d really like for the Democrats to stop trying to make Biden appear young. Yeah, I would like a younger president, yeah I like that Biden can ride a bike or go for a walk, but these don’t make him look younger to me and I didn’t vote for him because I thought he was younger and super fit.
I wish the Biden team would lean into the memes, I feel like that’s when he’s been most popular. Appropriating the Let’s go Brandon memes, appropriating the “I did that stickers/meme,” leaning into the Dark/Dank Brandon memes, and back when he was VP leaning into the Uncle Joe vibe.
Fucking embrace that the dude is old and make him America’s great grandpa. Have him walk out onto a Mr. Rogers lookalike set in a red cardigan to talk about policy. Have him do a fireside address with a blanket and a coffee. Have him throw on the sunglasses and crack the goofy smile before going to get ice cream with a podcaster.
Hell, get the people who made this video to help on Biden’s public image.
You’re right. He’s not young. But he’s still a better President than I expected and he’s far, far better than any alternative that Republicans will nominate. So can we let go of the age thing for now until we have an opportunity to pick better candidates? I sincerely doubt this election cycle will be it.
Oh I totally agree. I guess the rest of my comment was about how they’re trying to make it an age thing and it’s the worst marketing for him.
Exactly. When the other side is literal fascists I will, begrudgingly, vote for whoever the non-fascist is.
“shut up or my guy might lose”
No. It’s a valid criticism. I don’t think I should have to set my concerns aside so the chosen moderate can stall progress for the next 4 years.
So you’d rather watch the world burn than accept progress that’s slower than you demand. How noble.
No, it’s not slower, it’s actively progressing the wrong direction. And having a president that’s happy to stall progress is tantamount to giving the GOP what they want next cycle.
I’m tired of ‘Democrats’ pussyfutting around for 4-8 years only to watch what little they accomplished undone immediately, and the GOP making massive gains towards a fascist agenda no one wants.
Give me a candidate with teeth or yes, watch it all burn down. Get the horror show over with. Anything less than relentless progress is a win for the party that’s willing to fight dirty for their bullshit agenda.
Really. This is the wrong direction?
What color is the sky on your world? It’s usually blue on mine.
How much of that is executive order that can be undone day one for the next president?
How much of that is wrapped up in a single spending bill?
How much of that is limited in scope when we need large scale change? Protecting a forest with an EO is peanuts on the scale of action we actually need
Fine. You show us how it’s done. Tell us how we pass good legislation in light of a hostile House of Representatives.
Go on. We’ll wait.
I’m pretty sure he selected Kamala specifically for the “well what if he dies” crowd.
The Biden HQ x formerly known as twitter account does lean into the memes pretty good. Even made an account on truth social.
Oh yeah? Well I love Joe Biden, and I’m not ashamed to say it. Let’s talk about the last two administrations:
Joe Biden tried to forgive my debt. Donald Trump tried to take away my health insurance. Joe Biden thinks we need more trains. Donald Trump thinks we need more walls. Joe Biden lowered my student loan bills. Donald Trump raised my taxes. Joe Biden released people who were convicted on marijuana charges. Donald Trump locked up children for coming to the US. Joe Biden wants to be president. Donald Trump wants to be Vladimir Putin. Joe Biden told me to join a union. Donald Trump told me to drink bleach.
Is the Biden administration perfect? Of course not, but the man has actually tried (and occasionally succeeded) to do things that would actually benefit me personally. https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
The reality is that for most people on most days, what’s happening in DC has only a very small impact on our lives. Our state and local governments are vastly more consequential. But this administration, despite being faced with an opposition party composed of literal fascists, is fighting tooth and nail to make life better for real people without losing the Republic in the process. Given the current state of SCOTUS and Congress, it’s nothing short of a miracle Joe Biden has accomplished anything at all. He’s not as far left as me, but he’s as far left as we’ve got right now, and never mind the fact that the other guy wants to destroy our country so he can stay out of prison.
Joe Biden has conviction, he has compassion, and he has ability. I like the agenda, and I like the man.
Joe Biden is defending democracy.
Donald Trump wants a theocratic autocracy.
It really is that simple.
Everyone please vote in 2024 to prevent project 2025.
Joe Biden doesn’t have the Progressive agenda I prefer, but he’s been the Moderate we need.
Even when I disagree with his approach, I usually have the impression that he acknowledges reality and at least considers knowledgeable advice
hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil of two ancient, conservative candidates.
yay america… just ooozing with democracy
Vote for fascist; no more democracy until civil war or total collapse.
Vote for not-fascist; no democracy/choice until the fascist party change their platform.
It’s reductive but it’s also why a two party system is anti-democratic. You can’t vote properly if you dont have a choice.
Imma vote for that Brandon guy.
Do you think they will add “Dark Brandon” write-ins to Biden’s tally?
@rbhfd @eran_morad they better or im gonna be peeved lol
Republicans’ dilemma: We will vote for Biden over literally any Republican so it doesn’t matter.
Most Americans will vote Biden over Trump, but those same people would vote for any moderate Republican over Biden.
Republicans are attached at the hip to Trump and thus is actually best for the Democrats if Trump stays out of prison for the next year and keeps running for office.
It’s just fine if he runs from prison as well.
I never thought I’d be one of those people who votes party lines, but at least at the national level, there just doesn’t seem to be a Republican that’s not just despicable
Biden is fine as president but I find it hard that a octogenarian can possibly understand the realities of my life and that’s the problem, the largest voting block isn’t old people anymore and democrats need to pivot for that. I’ll still vote for the old bastard.
I mean, even if he was 40 he wouldn’t understand your life. He belongs to a more rarified political class than we plebs.
It’s closer then Trumps life, things need to change and politicians are not gonna change it because it means radical financial changes in politics which they all love so I don’t really know. I would love to run for the house in my state but the minimum is 100000 just to get on the ballot. The lowest class will never be able to compete
This article is so misleading.
Reuters considers the “Biden agenda” to be things like fighting climate change, infrastructure spending, and healthcare reform.
If Biden actually fought for the “Biden agenda” then he would be much more popular.
Already forgotten about the infrastructure bill? That also includes a lot of climate action.
I agree the infrastructure bill is a step in the right direction, but its mostly just clearing the maintenance backlog. Our infrastructure will be upgraded from “crumbling” to “poor”. Its easy to forget it, most Americans already have.
Now instead of being 20 years behind China, our infrastructure will only be 15 years behind. As the richest country in the history of earth, we can do so much better than this.
And as for climate, tinkering around the edges isn’t meaningful. We are still going full speed ahead towards climate ccatastrophe. We need radical change to save our civilization, and this bill ain’t it, jack.
As the richest country in the history of earth, we can do so much better than this.
This always pisses me off. Look how far we’ve gotten with such piss poor leadership for so long. Imagine what the nation could look like if we had even just mostly competent leadership for the last 50 years.
I dont agree that it’s a competency issue.
Our leaders are hyper-competent when fighting for the interests of wall street, the military industrial complex, the oil and gas industry, the insurance industry, etc.
Powerful moneyed interests are their real constituents. They only pretend to care about the needs of real working Americans when they need votes.
And Trump is going to do better on any of that? No way in hell.
Might as well complain that Biden didn’t cure cancer and buy everyone a puppy.
Asking for a democratically elected leader to respond to the needs of the people isn’t “curing cancer and buying puppies”
And yes Biden is better than Trump, but is that really how low you want to set the bar?
Have some standards, mate.
I think the bar is already set that low because you wouldn’t need to choose between two geriatrics if the bar was higher. America could do better, but America won’t do better
Expecting a president to make massive social changes when the House is led by a dysfunctional opposition party is asking for a cure to cancer and buying puppies. It’s just not going to happen.
The candidates are Trump and Biden. That’s who we’ve got to pick from. Anyone else who thinks they have a chance is delusional. That’s the system. We can wish all we want it wasn’t so, but it is.
The only way things begin to change is if the GOP loses control of the House, we get rid of the electoral college, and we get ranked choice voting. The only way that happens is through Democrats.
I dont expect Biden to get anything through the Republican house. I dont expect miracles. It’s too late now.
I expected him to do something when Democrats had control of Congress. Instead he choose to follow Obama’s failures and do practically nothing when the people gave Democrats control of the House, Senate, and White House.
And if you think Democrats will actually give up their role as Lesser Evil and pass ranked choice voting, then I think you are delusional.
I expected him to do something when Democrats had control of Congress.
You mean, when they had slim majorities and two quislings among the Democrats in the Senate who refused to vote for filibuster reform? That control?
Please join us in reality. We’d love to have your help.
Maybe Biden should push more for “Biden’s agenda”. It feels like Biden is pushing harder for COPPA (require people to be 18 and have a license to go on the internet, allow state attorney general to censor LGTBQ stuff online) then popular stuff like marajana legalization or Roe codification.
Where on Earth are you getting that from? I read and watch the news extensively every day, to a fault, and that is not what he’s been pushing.
Comments sections, mostly. I’m guessing.
Marijuana legalization or Roe codification are not going to happen with a Republican led house. It’s an impossibility. That’s not Biden’s fault.
I suspect Biden is focusing on things he knows he can get done, rather than wasting time on things he knows will never get done. He’s a very smart politician.
Codifying Roe is super important, but it will never happen under the current House & Senate. Focusing on that might excite lot of people, but it won’t do any good right now. When election time rolls around, then you start pointing out what could happen if enough people vote for Democratic candidates.
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Weed for sure, prostitution I think you underestimate just how puritanical this country is.
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Slipping, but in the wise words of someone much smarter, “you all aren’t ready for that, but your kids are going to love it.”
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That sounds very authoritarian.
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At last, the right have found the straw man they’ve been pretending the left wants all along. Kind of you to validate them.
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Right. Becoming what you claim to oppose doesn’t hurt your credibility at all.
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You have a desperately broken view of history. Please seek help. Urgently.
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