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    Already forgotten about the infrastructure bill? That also includes a lot of climate action.

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      I agree the infrastructure bill is a step in the right direction, but its mostly just clearing the maintenance backlog. Our infrastructure will be upgraded from “crumbling” to “poor”. Its easy to forget it, most Americans already have.

      Now instead of being 20 years behind China, our infrastructure will only be 15 years behind. As the richest country in the history of earth, we can do so much better than this.

      And as for climate, tinkering around the edges isn’t meaningful. We are still going full speed ahead towards climate ccatastrophe. We need radical change to save our civilization, and this bill ain’t it, jack.

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        As the richest country in the history of earth, we can do so much better than this.

        This always pisses me off. Look how far we’ve gotten with such piss poor leadership for so long. Imagine what the nation could look like if we had even just mostly competent leadership for the last 50 years.

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          I dont agree that it’s a competency issue.

          Our leaders are hyper-competent when fighting for the interests of wall street, the military industrial complex, the oil and gas industry, the insurance industry, etc.

          Powerful moneyed interests are their real constituents. They only pretend to care about the needs of real working Americans when they need votes.

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        And Trump is going to do better on any of that? No way in hell.

        Might as well complain that Biden didn’t cure cancer and buy everyone a puppy.

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          Asking for a democratically elected leader to respond to the needs of the people isn’t “curing cancer and buying puppies”

          And yes Biden is better than Trump, but is that really how low you want to set the bar?

          Have some standards, mate.

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            I think the bar is already set that low because you wouldn’t need to choose between two geriatrics if the bar was higher. America could do better, but America won’t do better

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            Expecting a president to make massive social changes when the House is led by a dysfunctional opposition party is asking for a cure to cancer and buying puppies. It’s just not going to happen.

            The candidates are Trump and Biden. That’s who we’ve got to pick from. Anyone else who thinks they have a chance is delusional. That’s the system. We can wish all we want it wasn’t so, but it is.

            The only way things begin to change is if the GOP loses control of the House, we get rid of the electoral college, and we get ranked choice voting. The only way that happens is through Democrats.

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              I dont expect Biden to get anything through the Republican house. I dont expect miracles. It’s too late now.

              I expected him to do something when Democrats had control of Congress. Instead he choose to follow Obama’s failures and do practically nothing when the people gave Democrats control of the House, Senate, and White House.

              And if you think Democrats will actually give up their role as Lesser Evil and pass ranked choice voting, then I think you are delusional.

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                I expected him to do something when Democrats had control of Congress.

                You mean, when they had slim majorities and two quislings among the Democrats in the Senate who refused to vote for filibuster reform? That control?

                Please join us in reality. We’d love to have your help.

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                  Maybe if the Democrats gave even a tiny amount of pushback against those “quislings” then they would deserve some credit.

                  After all the damage Manchin has done, they still let him chair the energy committee and sit on appropriations. I’m here in reality wondering why they continue to give quislings so much power. Its almost as if the “rotating villain” is a feature, not a bug.

                  “We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” isn’t good enough for me, and it’s sad that so many people just accept it.

                  Have some standards, mate.

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                    Maybe if the Democrats gave even a tiny amount of pushback against those “quislings” then they would deserve some credit.

                    Like this?

                    The problem was that both Manchin and Sinema understood that they had leverage to decide what policies lived or died. And as often as not, they torpedoed progressive legislation because they both consider themselves “moderate.” They didn’t stand in the way only when it didn’t interfere with their personal enrichment. And since Senate Democrats have no control over the elections that put them in that position, it’s extremely dishonest to blame Democrats for it.

                    Now that Manchin is retiring, Democrats are shitting their pants over their chances to hold the Senate in 2024. They know they won’t be able to get a progressive to replace Manchin.