You’re absolutely corecct. But this is just a way for people to talk, notice and hopefully rethink. I know it’s a slim hope that these people can still be reached, but I’m happy enough to see headlines pointing out the endorseded racism of republicans, even if it is VERY old news.
Its past time to give up on them. Put it down to propaganda, lead poisoning, inertia, whatever - there is nothing that will bring them back into reality where science and facts matter. Nothing.
We could have fended this off if middle-of-the-road Democrats hadn’t spent the 80’s 90’s and 00’s trying to be republican-lite instead of actual progressives.
And I say that as a relative moderate. It’s just been that bad for that long.
The only ways to force someone out of a cult is through forced deprogramming and by attrition, as you break the cult apart, or it naturally breaks down. So what do we do when the cult members you want to do this number in the millions, many of which are willing to resist violently?
The point I want to make is that a defeatist attitude isn’t providing any solutions. It’s useless to say something is hopeless. You might as well give up and validate them being hopeless.
So what do you do? Try anyways, because nothing is actually hopeless. Progress is not only possible, but others who lack this silly defeatist attitude are actually making progress and fighting this fight.
So, you both should quit your bitching and actually try.
I don’t feel the need to convert them, to get them to back off their bullshit. There are ways to move forward without them, we need to focus on working on that.
I’ve been through this myself. I could bring a friend back to reality, only to lose them once they went back to their social circles and propaganda. Culture has to be changed for any lasting effect.
I don’t know about that. The ones that got deathly ill from Covid suddenly believed in Medicine again. Well, the ones not suing for parasite paste anyway.
They can be reached. Just not with facts and reality. If anyone is serious about reaching them, look up “Deep Canvasing.” It’s a rhetorical technique you can use to connect someone’s past experiences to their present worldview and sometimes cause them to rethink their beliefs.
You’re absolutely corecct. But this is just a way for people to talk, notice and hopefully rethink. I know it’s a slim hope that these people can still be reached, but I’m happy enough to see headlines pointing out the endorseded racism of republicans, even if it is VERY old news.
Its past time to give up on them. Put it down to propaganda, lead poisoning, inertia, whatever - there is nothing that will bring them back into reality where science and facts matter. Nothing.
We could have fended this off if middle-of-the-road Democrats hadn’t spent the 80’s 90’s and 00’s trying to be republican-lite instead of actual progressives.
And I say that as a relative moderate. It’s just been that bad for that long.
So what, just give up?
The only ways to force someone out of a cult is through forced deprogramming and by attrition, as you break the cult apart, or it naturally breaks down. So what do we do when the cult members you want to do this number in the millions, many of which are willing to resist violently?
The point I want to make is that a defeatist attitude isn’t providing any solutions. It’s useless to say something is hopeless. You might as well give up and validate them being hopeless.
So what do you do? Try anyways, because nothing is actually hopeless. Progress is not only possible, but others who lack this silly defeatist attitude are actually making progress and fighting this fight.
So, you both should quit your bitching and actually try.
I don’t feel the need to convert them, to get them to back off their bullshit. There are ways to move forward without them, we need to focus on working on that.
I’ve been through this myself. I could bring a friend back to reality, only to lose them once they went back to their social circles and propaganda. Culture has to be changed for any lasting effect.
I don’t know about that. The ones that got deathly ill from Covid suddenly believed in Medicine again. Well, the ones not suing for parasite paste anyway.
They can be reached. Just not with facts and reality. If anyone is serious about reaching them, look up “Deep Canvasing.” It’s a rhetorical technique you can use to connect someone’s past experiences to their present worldview and sometimes cause them to rethink their beliefs.
I feel like street epistemology may have a place as well.
I think also when people talk face to face it is very different from online b.s.