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      Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

      Yet, some even still cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.

      Meanwhile, among those who describe work as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least the way it is generally imposed, requires the worker being subordinated.

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        I understand and agree but memes like this and the whole “anti-work movement” are doing irreparable damage to any progress you could hope to make in “work reform”.

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              You provided two different names, each representing collections of ideas and objectives that are extremely general and often nebulous or ambiguous, and you complained that someone is pursuing one to the detriment of the other.

              No more is plain from the text you wrote.

              I am asking you to offer further details over how you personally are understanding the particular terms, and perceiving the conflicts.

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          My local sewer guy takes pride in his job. Not only does he care enough to know the entire sewer layout for every lot in town, he also cares enough about it to always provide the customer with a good offer. He just wants it done right. But it doesn’t just stop there. He is also the chairman for the sewer industry in the entire country, giving advice to all the other sewer companies, municipalities and other industries.

          No, he probably doesn’t particularly enjoy hosing down somebody’s fatberg, but him and his guys usually seem to have fun doing it anyway. He gets paid well be too.

          If I got half the pay for having half the fun and being able to take half the pride in what I do, I’d gladly accept the job.

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              Not at the level of food service industry, cashier’s and the like. Simply cuz automating gutter cleaning doesn’t make capitalists any money.

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                  The suggestion was that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform.

                  Your objection was that if such automation were possible to achieve and to implement, then they would have already done so.

                  Processes of production, and the utilization and development of machinery implicated in production, is determined by business owners, not by workers.

                  Business owners are bound by the profit motive, not by a motive to improve the experience of workers.

                  Any activity or objective not supported by the profit motive is simply discarded, under our current systems.

                  The meaningful suggestion is that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform, even if business owners (“they”) have no motive for doing so.

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                    Buddy if you “we” could do that “we” never would have been employees in the first place.

                    If you think automation is not profitable then you vastly underestimate the costs of running a business and hiring human employees.