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Walking barefoot on gravel is less painful than walking barefoot on nails.
The greater difference is in being free.
Quite the opposite. Work that’s “fun and interesting” tends to pay less because there’s a surplus of demand and limited supply (artists, cooks, etc).
Are you sure? Whenever I feel gloomy, I seek company with corporate lawyers. I always feel uplifted by their distinctive mirth and cheer.
yes but a factotum is a person who does general, menial jobs, and Bukowski was writing about his (assumed true) experience finding work after being rejected for
thrww1the WW2 draft. (EDIT: typo)It was WWII, and I don’t know if he actually got rejected, the end of Ham on Rye implies he just didn’t register.
typo, I meant 2.
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Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime
That’s why I poop on company time
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– Rage Against The Machine
Upvoted during the act
Look at Mr. fancy pants, sleeping in until 6:30 every morning.
Keep in mind that in 1975 the top tax rate was 48%, some sources say the effective rate on corporate was 44%. This message went out right before the largest recorded increase in USA poverty from 1980 to 1983, and the Reagan Administration gutting federal regulatory bodies and slashing the corporate tax rates down to effective 0 rates, sometimes a negative rate if they received corporate welfare.
If anything, bro really jinxed it by saying “it can’t possibly get worse, right?”
How in the hell could a man work and be asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?
There are a lot of labor issues to discuss but putting a bunch of normal things you do anyway and sticking some face and a name on it is not it folks.
I think the idea is that while these are things you do anyway, you are rushed to complete them quickly, earlier in the morning than you would likely prefer, all for the benefit of someone else to profit off you (I.e, to be exploited).
I think someone that was in a co-op would not resent those things nearly as much, or at all, since all of that work and effort would be adequately rewarded.
I definitely would not wear a bra if I don’t need to go to the office. Hell, dressing and getting out of bed are also fairly optional, even if working from home and I don’t know anyone who commutes for the fun of it. Also I’d definitely take the full worth of my labor please.
It seems only sensible that someone would want to be paid the full value of their labor.
Yet, in so many of my conversations, someone gives a reasons to justify a share of the value being taken by executives and billionaires.
People are struggling to survive, but they act like their survival is less important than wealth being further accumulated by someone who already has enough wealth for countless lifetimes.
Stealing this
No one enjoys it. That’s why it’s not called “going to fun”.
Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.
Yet, some even still cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.
Meanwhile, among those who describe work as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least the way it is generally imposed, requires the worker being subordinated.
I understand and agree but memes like this and the whole “anti-work movement” are doing irreparable damage to any progress you could hope to make in “work reform”.
What particularly is your grievance?
I just explained my particular grievance in the comment you replied to.
You provided two different names, each representing collections of ideas and objectives that are extremely general and often nebulous or ambiguous, and you complained that someone is pursuing one to the detriment of the other.
No more is plain from the text you wrote.
I am asking you to offer further details over how you personally are understanding the particular terms, and perceiving the conflicts.
It doesn’t really have to be that way, though.
Of course it does. No one enjoys cleaning sewer drains.
My local sewer guy takes pride in his job. Not only does he care enough to know the entire sewer layout for every lot in town, he also cares enough about it to always provide the customer with a good offer. He just wants it done right. But it doesn’t just stop there. He is also the chairman for the sewer industry in the entire country, giving advice to all the other sewer companies, municipalities and other industries.
No, he probably doesn’t particularly enjoy hosing down somebody’s fatberg, but him and his guys usually seem to have fun doing it anyway. He gets paid well be too.
If I got half the pay for having half the fun and being able to take half the pride in what I do, I’d gladly accept the job.
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Not you.
My neighbors’ eight-year-old son’s dog walker’s second cousin (once removed) says you’re a liar (and always will be).
He said no one. I know one. That’s more than zero.
Your acquaintance is wrong and should find a different job in the lying business.
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I was abducted by interdimensional aliens who told me that vows of truth are only effective in less than half of all cases.
That’s like 10 pinky swears or twice scouts honor. I stand corrected.
You guys are an absolute riot 😂
You have given no explanation or argument, just an appeal to ignorance.
This isn’t a college class. I’m not writing a senior thesis. I have given an explanation and an argument, you just don’t like it.
OK troll.
Who is trolling who here? You’re the one pretending you can’t understand my simple explanations.
What did you learn from watching the video?
What are your substantive concerns or criticisms with respect to it?
Or maybe, we can automate stuff like that, instead of starving artists.
If they could automate it, they would have done so already.
Not at the level of food service industry, cashier’s and the like. Simply cuz automating gutter cleaning doesn’t make capitalists any money.
We, not they.
Huh?
The suggestion was that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform.
Your objection was that if such automation were possible to achieve and to implement, then they would have already done so.
Processes of production, and the utilization and development of machinery implicated in production, is determined by business owners, not by workers.
Business owners are bound by the profit motive, not by a motive to improve the experience of workers.
Any activity or objective not supported by the profit motive is simply discarded, under our current systems.
The meaningful suggestion is that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform, even if business owners (“they”) have no motive for doing so.
Speak for yourself. This guy does!
Debt mainly.
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Money is created from debt and there will always be more debt than money.
It feels somewhat disingenuous to compare the debt implicated in money creation with the debt imposed on ordinary workers simply to live.
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Buckowski is great, but who the hell is out there pooping before work?
Save ur poop till ur on the clock baby!
With IBS you lose some battles, but you always win the war.
Some people poop more than once a day.
I think he means “Why poop on your own time when it can be on company time?”
Aw, man, and I have the literal. Thanks
Still too few, though.
Miners.
And does Bukowski not shower before work?
Didn’t people do this for centuries to farm and have enough food?
Who said that the goal of humanity is happiness and hedonism? Why not make responsibility your goal?
I can even contend that true happiness is reached through responsibility.
Would you tell a slave to just focus on responsibility? Why would you tell someone working for a wage something similar? It doesn’t seem hedonistic to me to want to enjoy the fruits of your own labour, or see your community made better by the work you did. Instead a lot of the value of your labour is siphoned off by people you will never meet and only have negative feelings for.
It seems as though you and I read two completely different posts.
Did you intend to put your comment elsewhere?
I think different humans have different goals, and as long as those goals don’t infringe on others, that’s perfectly fine. So you wanting to take on responsibility (in whatever way that means for you) is totally chill.
The issue with the current system is that the goals of business owners (the ruling class), infringe upon others, and those other people would prefer to have a system that doesn’t do that, so that everyone can more freely try to achieve their goals without being exploited by a minority of others.
to farm and have enough food?
Farming is literally seasonal work. Meaning no, you don’t do it every day. The main events are planting and harvesting.
true happiness is reached through responsibility.
Your main point could just as easily be used to defend capitalism - ie. Paying your bills. Can you get more specific about how I can use responsibility to create happiness in my life?
