Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis defended his call to ban pro-Palestinian groups from Florida state colleges Sunday, after one of his Republican presidential primary opponents, Vivek Ramaswamy, slammed the demand as “a shameful political ploy.”
“It’s unconstitutional. It’s utter hypocrisy for someone who railed against left-wing cancel culture,” Ramaswamy posted on X (formerly Twitter) Thursday, alleging that it violates students’ right to free speech.
DeSantis held firm Sunday.
“This is not cancel culture. This group, they themselves said, in the aftermath of the Hamas attack, that they don’t just stand in solidarity that they are part of this Hamas movement,” DeSantis said during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
It’s only cancel culture when it happens to fascists.
To be fair he’s right. It’s not cancel culture. It’s institutional racism.
I don’t agree with anything DeSantis says but Define race? I’m not seeing this leap.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/institutionalized-racism
Any more questions?
No. Still the same one
I think their really, and I cannot stress this enough, paper thin argument was that Palestinian isn’t a race per se. They also are ignoring the very clear intention that is discrimination based on nationality which is illegal in most cases in the US (see customs and border patrol for exceptions that shouldn’t be granted but are in fact institutionally legal).
Again their point is fairly pointless, useless even, and they could’ve said it without coming off like an asshole trying to nettle at a topic they don’t understand. But I do think that was the point to their poorly constructed question.
For reference what is happening is federally illegal and specifically goes against the protections against national origins (see the section on public accommodations): https://www.justice.gov/crt/federal-protections-against-national-origin-discrimination-1
That’s how I read their question as well. I just went with the snarky answer :)
desantis didn’t say anything when literal nazis were hanging out with desantis flags in front of disney world so really i don’t wanna hear from him on this.
He retweeted a DeSantis promotional video a fan made, which featured Nazi imagery.
FYI – The “fan” was later found to be on staff, unless we’re thinking of different events, which, sadly is always possible!
Black sun in the background and all kinds of memes knit into the video
Well, pretty sure he’d be marching with them if there weren’t any cameras.
These are the eggshell stickers I should be seeing at gas pumps.
The party of small government everyone!
Came here to say this.
Not that fascists care at all that others point out their hypocrisy. They don’t hold themselves to any standards, so if they are hypocrites, it simply does not matter.
I had a friend who was radicalized during the pandemic by LoTT’s original account, and he doesn’t seem to care about the fact he likes yuri and loli stuff, all while calling LGBTQ+ people “pedophiles”. He just responds with the gigachad meme and a “who cares”. (Ironically he does think of male-on-male shota as pedophilic, likely he just calls sex acts he doesn’t like as such.)
Had to look some of those terms up (ETA: and, uh, yuck). Still don’t know what “LoTT” is?
But yeah, the right goes ALL IN on hypocrisy when it comes to their Qtarded nonsense. They don’t care about kids being trafficked, at all, they just want to smear others with terms they know most will find revolting.
Even if Gaetz was caught, on video, balls deep in someone underage, they’d still support him. How many of theirs have these problems, besides Groomer Gaetz? Donnie himself of course, even talking about his own daughter FFS. Then there is Hastert. And Roy Moore.
LoTT = Libs of TikTok
Oh right, I forgot about that weird woman.
I went to go find you a list, searching google for “republican pedophiles” and… got distracted. There were 422,000 results and then Google says “It looks like there aren’t many great results for this search”. Uh, Google… Google… don’t make me use another search engine.
I did find what I was remembering, granted - not a truly great source but seems to be largely sourced, if you care to venture back towards Reddit for a minute: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/vgmary/texas_gop_adopts_shockingly_explicit_antilgbtq/id27rvz/
Can you explain Yuri so the rest of us don’t have to look it up?
I’m assuming it’s not a King of Fighters character.
“Yuri is a Japanese media genre that focuses on intimate relationships between female characters, often with lesbian themes.”
Oh. So just lesbians. That’s not weird at all. I thought it was going to be some other type of underage bs
Well that’s the wikipedia definition, I think it is really common for the relationships to be of students, maybe ambiguously aged or in college in the plot but appearing young.
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The problem is hypocrisy. If you allow actual Nazi’s to walk around with swastikas in public…well this is the same.
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It’s not up to the government to decide that. That’s the whole point of the first amendment.
This is assuming they don’t move past words.
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And I’m disagreeing. He’s still limiting free speech. I don’t have to like what they are saying to realize their speech is still being limited by his actions. Say things we don’t like you get your funding cut.
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It sounded like you were agreeing with the decision. Are you not?
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Fair enough
Say bomb on a plane get your freedoms cut. It’s not the same
They are welcome to say whatever they like, but they are not guaranteed help from the government to actively spread their message.
They aren’t banned or even kicked out, they just can’t use school resources to advance their organization. They can still gather, they can still speak openly, they can still get their education.
Reading more deeply, this seems reasonable enough. I’ve seen a lot of conservatives equating “don’t kill innocent Palestinians” with “Hamas supporter”, but in this specific case they went out of their way to mention there’s room for that but not room for “Hamas is our movement”.
The world seems to have broken when there are obviously bad guys on both sides of the conflict…
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When did they say this? Also when his ass was quiet when literal Nazis paraded around, he can stay quiet now
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Do you believe pro-IDF groups should be allowed on campuses despite the fact that they are genocidal collaborators?
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Cancel culture, no. Blatant violation of the first amendment? Probably.
Por que no los dos?
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Hate this absolute ghoul as well. Fuck Hamas.
So you think Palestine should just let themselves get genocided?
Hamas represent Palestinians like the KKK represent people from Tennessee. Some people support them, most don’t.
It’s possible to support Palestinians while denouncing Hamas as murdering terrorist wankers.
It’s equally possible to support Israelis and Jews while finding the actions of the Israeli government reprehensible.
Hamas is the only group meaningfully defending Palestine from the attempted genocide. Not at all like the KKK. They would only be like the KKK if they were doing it unprovoked. Palestine has a right to defend itself against genocide, and the only way that seems to work in Israel’s eyes is killing Israelis. Peace is not a language that genocidal states understand.
Hamas is the only group meaningfully defending Palestine from the attempted genocide. Not at all like the KKK. They would only be like the KKK if they were doing it unprovoked. Palestine has a right to defend itself against genocide, and the only way that seems to work in Israel’s eyes is killing Israelis. Peace is not a language that genocidal states understand.
Hamas directly provoked the current outbreak in violence by murdering over 1,400 Israelis. Mostly civilians, and many of them elderly and children. They took 120 hostages.
Hamas aren’t freedom fighters - they’re terrorists.
But who provoked that provocation. Israel had killed 22.4x as many Palestinians than Israelis had been killed by 2020. To act like it was unprovoked is pretty dumb. You can argue about the effectiveness and morality all you want, but don’t act like nothing led to it.
Who’s says it wasn’t provoked?
Intentionally murdering civilians is still terrorism. It’s wrong when Israel does it, it’s wrong when Hamas does it.
No, Israel provoked that attack by committing 30 years of war crimes on Gaza, and attempting to steal all of their land. What exactly would YOU have done in reaction to an enemy intentionally starving your people for 30 years? I know that compared to how America would have reacted, Hamas is a full on pacifist
NOT murder civilians, including children and babies?
There’s no justification for murdering innocents, no matter who does it.
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Oh, is that what Hamas is doing? Preventing genocide?
To a degree, yes. The only reason Israel hasn’t invaded Gaza full force already is that Gazans have Hamas as a credible threat. Obviously not enough Israelis have been killed yet to fully end the genocide, but Hamas is forcing Israel to think twice.
Obviously not enough Israelis have been killed yet to fully end the genocide
listen to yourself, this is abhorrent.
Killing genociders is good, actually.
Hand-wavey justifications are so in right now.
Israel’s reluctance to just full on destroy Gaza is not because they were afraid of Hamas, it was because they knew that they would be judged and treated unambiguously as ‘the bad guys’. It seems like October 7th was a gift to Israeli government itching for a justification to just go all in.
Your logic would have been that Israel would have been scared off by the October 7th, but they instead decided they were fully justified to inflict as much Palestinian collateral damage as it takes to eliminate Hamas. It seems Israel will be happy if Gaza is nothing more than a smoldering crater by the end of it, and declare itself justified in response to the Hamas attack.
So no, Hamas has done nothing to prevent genocide and if anything has helped contribute to the possibility of it happening. IDF is still be directly wholly responsible for their actions, but it seems their hands were at least somewhat politically tied before.
So you would say Palestine should have just rolled over and accepted the genocide? STFU, that’s a disgusting view on society. You sound like you only care about preserving the status quo.
No, they shouldn’t just accept the oppression. However I was saying that Hamas is not, in fact, staying Israel’s hand. Current events make that blatantly self-evident. As bad as Israel was before, it was nothing compared to their retribution for Hamas attack now.
Israel wasn’t holding back out of fear of Hamas, Israel was holding back due to: -Trying to achieve their goals without as obviously looking like the bad guy. They think Hamas attack gives them a free pass, so they are taking it. -Conflicts among their government. At times the hardcore Zionists are steering things, but not always and even while steering they face opposition that disagree with them. Again, it’s hard for the reasonable voices to speak up now without being perceived as pro-Hamas (USA had this same phenomenon after 9/11, where any concern about broad anti-Islamic hatred was perceived as being “with the terrorists”).
They certainly shouldn’t have to put up with Israel’s treatment, and I will confess I don’t know what can work. I’ve heard tell of several occurrences where the right answer seemed to be just in reach before some extremist Zionist or Palestinian tanked the whole thing. However, the Hamas approach is evil, vile and even demonstrably ineffective at keeping Israel from inflicting harm on Palestinians.
“This group, they themselves said, in the aftermath of the [shooting], that they don’t just stand in solidarity that they are part of this Christian nationalist movement.” Sound familiar?
But do go off about how it’s not what you called “cancel culture.”
Edit: To be clear, I’m aware that cancel culture is just “moderation” rebranded to scare right wing idiots into a tribal mindset.
It’s cancel culture when it happens to them. When they do it, it’s called boycotting.
Except that’s not really how boycotting works when they do dumb shit like buy shoes just to set them on fire.
Nah, cancel culture is real. They are the primary ones that wield it. They simply call being held responsible, cancel culture in an effort to distract everyone from that fact.
Very true. Just like they are the biggest proponents of political correctness. The actual kind, not the basic human decency they have rebranded as “political correctness”. Just see how they behave if someone does not do the right thing around a piece of cloth (flag) or when someone violates expected rituals done when a certain song is played (anthem) at a…checks notes…sportsball game.
Same thing for their accusations of others being emotional, being a snowflake, engaging in culture wars and so on.
It’s always projection with them.
Cancel culture? That’s not what it means. This is censorship culture.
Desantis doesn’t want people educated, he wants them angry
That’s not what it means
That’s because “cancel culture” doesn’t actually mean anything.
For more meaningless I’d look to woke. Being cancelled does mean something specific. As far as a “culture” of it, yeah, not so sure.
Bruh………
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According to him it was only banned because they were pro hamas, but the report titles it as pro Palestine. I don’t know what the answer is but it makes a difference to me.
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Well maybe they don’t want to hang with them…
I’m personally surprised Ramaswamy of all folks is the one bashing it for being unconstitutional
You’d think he’d shrink from that line of attack considering his flagship policy is to throw one of the most recent amendments in the fucking trash.
A broken clock is right twice a day. It happens.
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