I have sympathy for people with significant mental or health issues, but most of them are just fucking weak and would rather eat a tub of ice cream than have a nice/healthy body.
A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
I always felt weird when people would tell me respect is earned, since I give everyone I meet respect until they give me a reason not to. Glad to see I’m not the only one with that perception.
If someone thinks that they are respecting themselves by willfully making decisions that they know are terrible for their health
I’m gonna need you to point out someone saying this before I take this claim seriously.
I know I have plenty of personal flaws, but I’m willing to take criticism of them.
Unprompted criticism of your body is just bullying. Accepting that requires a lack of self respect.
I’m not going to expect respect for doing fuck all about my personal problems and I don’t think anyone else should.
You’re dragging the goalposts around and humping them, at this point. I didn’t say “respect for doing nothing.” Just… respect. The basic respect a human deserves for being human. Not getting on your knees, calling them lord, and complimenting their choices of fatty food. Just the bare minimum of not bullying them. Is that so hard?
I respect people that put in hard work and effort towards achieving their goals
Okay? But not every action is one to be judged on that criteria. Not everything is done to meet a goal. Just walking through town isn’t one of those things.
I don’t respect pity parties.
Who’s asking you to? Where’s the pity? Where’s the party?
You’re a dick. You can say that about anything. You don’t own a house yet? That’s because of a string of poor decisions. You don’t respect yourself, otherwise you would have saved enough money. And then you’ll go, oh, but I am the one who has real problems, unlike those other fat people. Everyone who was more successful than you was lucky, everyone who was less successful was lazy. This is precisely what millionaires tell themselves to justify paying minimum wage. Those employees who accept working for this meager salary? No self respect, they deserve it.
You? You are just a self-absorbed dick who can only see things from their own perspective and have no idea about other people’s problems.
Written by someone who lost 70lb 15 years ago and didn’t gain it back. Did I suddenly acquire self-respect and discipline? Nope, just found a sustainable lifestyle that worked for me. Shocking, I know.
The respect of not going in and talking shit on other people’s bodies absolutely is supposed to be simply expected. If I talked shit about other people’s bodies on the internet I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect T people to say “fuck, you’re a giant ass”
I think we might be using different definitions of respect. Respect as in “I want you to defer to me and do what I say” absolutely has to be earned. Respect as in “I don’t want you to shittalk people you’ve never met based on one arbitrarily selected criterion” is part of being a decent human being.
Hey boss, I’ve been fat all my life. Was a thick baby, they almost had to break my shoulders to get my out. Part of my issue is my thyroid, the other is I’m a super taster and healthy shit tastes bitter and ungodly awful. As a kid I avoided it and continued being big and I’m almost 30. I’ve only briefly known what being skinny felt like after a strict diet I hated. I got severely depressed and buried my feelings in food. As a fat person losing weight again, I have no respect for you. You’re an entitled prick who had the fortune of a coping mechanism and biology that allowed you to probably grow up skinny and developed a lifestyle to keep you that way. It’s fucking hard to do that when you’re overweight or have biological obstacles.
Interesting response. You know there’s a good amount of people who are fat purely due to their thyroid or other medical issues? People who despite proper eating and exercise are doomed to gain weight anyway. No respect or sympathy for them I gather?
It seemed like a “Sorry for the medical issue but not everything else” kind of apology, so my mistake. Just hoping you end up not holding such disdain for fat people some day.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. I feel the essence of what you said is true. I am weak and that is why I put on a lot of weight. Not because I didn’t exercise. But because I chose to eat tasty shit over healthy shit.
Something that took me a while to realise is that you don’t necessarily need to be eating rubbish food to gain weight, just too much. I think there’s this stereotype of the guy chugging down sugary drinks all day with his greasy burgers in between handfuls of sweets, but that’s not the case for most people.
What was a big help for me was getting a food scale, and working out what size portions I should be eating - particularly for carby things like rice and pasta I found I was way off on my estimates of what a decent serving should be.
Think less “Tour de france” and more “sunday boardwalk cruise” just trying to not let the pedals stop moving.
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A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
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I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
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Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
I guess being a dick to people also happens over time after countless poor decisions
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And that makes you a dick.
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Source for the lack of self respect? Or is that just your… opinion?
Honestly, that sounds like no self respect to me. But what do I know?
Nope, expertise is something you earn. Respect should be expected.
I always felt weird when people would tell me respect is earned, since I give everyone I meet respect until they give me a reason not to. Glad to see I’m not the only one with that perception.
You’re right, that’s also my perspective. I too am glad to see I’m not alone.
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I’m gonna need you to point out someone saying this before I take this claim seriously.
Unprompted criticism of your body is just bullying. Accepting that requires a lack of self respect.
You’re dragging the goalposts around and humping them, at this point. I didn’t say “respect for doing nothing.” Just… respect. The basic respect a human deserves for being human. Not getting on your knees, calling them lord, and complimenting their choices of fatty food. Just the bare minimum of not bullying them. Is that so hard?
Okay? But not every action is one to be judged on that criteria. Not everything is done to meet a goal. Just walking through town isn’t one of those things.
Who’s asking you to? Where’s the pity? Where’s the party?
You’re a dick. You can say that about anything. You don’t own a house yet? That’s because of a string of poor decisions. You don’t respect yourself, otherwise you would have saved enough money. And then you’ll go, oh, but I am the one who has real problems, unlike those other fat people. Everyone who was more successful than you was lucky, everyone who was less successful was lazy. This is precisely what millionaires tell themselves to justify paying minimum wage. Those employees who accept working for this meager salary? No self respect, they deserve it.
You? You are just a self-absorbed dick who can only see things from their own perspective and have no idea about other people’s problems.
Written by someone who lost 70lb 15 years ago and didn’t gain it back. Did I suddenly acquire self-respect and discipline? Nope, just found a sustainable lifestyle that worked for me. Shocking, I know.
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Fuck your judgemental attitude.
The respect of not going in and talking shit on other people’s bodies absolutely is supposed to be simply expected. If I talked shit about other people’s bodies on the internet I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect T people to say “fuck, you’re a giant ass”
I think we might be using different definitions of respect. Respect as in “I want you to defer to me and do what I say” absolutely has to be earned. Respect as in “I don’t want you to shittalk people you’ve never met based on one arbitrarily selected criterion” is part of being a decent human being.
Hey boss, I’ve been fat all my life. Was a thick baby, they almost had to break my shoulders to get my out. Part of my issue is my thyroid, the other is I’m a super taster and healthy shit tastes bitter and ungodly awful. As a kid I avoided it and continued being big and I’m almost 30. I’ve only briefly known what being skinny felt like after a strict diet I hated. I got severely depressed and buried my feelings in food. As a fat person losing weight again, I have no respect for you. You’re an entitled prick who had the fortune of a coping mechanism and biology that allowed you to probably grow up skinny and developed a lifestyle to keep you that way. It’s fucking hard to do that when you’re overweight or have biological obstacles.
Sincerely, fuck off, from a fat person.
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Interesting response. You know there’s a good amount of people who are fat purely due to their thyroid or other medical issues? People who despite proper eating and exercise are doomed to gain weight anyway. No respect or sympathy for them I gather?
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It seemed like a “Sorry for the medical issue but not everything else” kind of apology, so my mistake. Just hoping you end up not holding such disdain for fat people some day.
Fuck icecream is pretty good but
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I don’t know why people are downvoting you. I feel the essence of what you said is true. I am weak and that is why I put on a lot of weight. Not because I didn’t exercise. But because I chose to eat tasty shit over healthy shit.
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Hit the down arrow for the cringe edit lol.
Something that took me a while to realise is that you don’t necessarily need to be eating rubbish food to gain weight, just too much. I think there’s this stereotype of the guy chugging down sugary drinks all day with his greasy burgers in between handfuls of sweets, but that’s not the case for most people.
What was a big help for me was getting a food scale, and working out what size portions I should be eating - particularly for carby things like rice and pasta I found I was way off on my estimates of what a decent serving should be.