Criminalization of encryption : the 8 december case
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To be fair they were also using encrypted messaging to talk to each other like WhatsApp and Signal, they even show their mom how to use it which is extremely suspicious.

“All members of this group were particularly suspicious, only communicating with each other using encrypted applications, in particular Signal, and encrypting their computers and devices […].

The Investigating Judge

https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2023/06/05/criminalization-of-encryption-the-8-december-case/ https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2023/10/06/the-beginning-of-the-8-december-trial-is-also-the-judgement-of-the-right-to-privacy-and-encryption/

when the DGSI [a French security agency charged with counter-espionage, counter-terrorism, countering cybercrime and surveillance of potentially threatening groups] has questioned Bastien about what he thinks of Macron. A photograph on his computer is mentioned, which according to them details the President’s security arrangements for the July 14th parade. (…)

The device in question (an aerial photo taken from the press) is highlighted in such a way as to draw a dick. A dick.

The link is made with Bastien’s passion for drones. The implication is that he could have used a drone to attack this dick-shaped device using explosives.

https://www.auposte.fr/j7-quis-terroristiat-ipsos-terroristes/

  • beckerist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    94·
    1 year ago

    How is using encrypted communication and “showing their mother” suspicious? All the evidence seems extremely circumstantial and they were locked up for 5 years before a trial? The whole thing smells fishy…

    • GormadtEnglish
      53·
      1 year ago

      NGL if I was locked up for 5 years without a trial for something this stupid I’d probably turn into a terrorist.

        • CancerMancer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          1 year ago

          Spend two decades grinding someone down until they finally steal something and get caught

          “I fucking knew you were a criminal.”

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        22·
        1 year ago

        Which is fine by the oppressors. They don’t actually want to get rid of terrorism; they want an eternal enemy to fight. They’re not trying to protect anyone; they’re trying to justify their existence.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      38·
      1 year ago

      I wager they are using this to as a launchpad to attack personal encryption and other data safety practices that the government (and more importantly, their corporate backers) cant access.

    • BastingChemina@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
      29·
      1 year ago

      To give more context, one person came back for from Rojava to France in 2018.

      Rojava is an area in Syria fighting against Daesh, they also experimented a lot around different political structures which interested a lot of militants in Europe.

      When he came back the DGSI flagged this person as a potential terrorist and start tracking him and the people he knows, before violently arresting them and keeping them in prison for up to 15 months for some of them.

      Then there is the whole investigation for 5 years. They did not found any evidence during this investigation but rather than admitting the fact that they fucked up and that everyone in the group is innocent, they are trying to argue that all the evidence have been hidden by the fact they encrypted everything.

      In this case the DGSI used methods that are illegal unless “Justified by elements of fact” (I don’t know how to translate this part). So if they are innocent the DGSI will be in trouble for their illegal actions unless they are judged guilty. If their are guilty the dgsi will argue that their actions were justified to stop a terrorist attack.

      • Sludgehammer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        23·
        1 year ago

        Then there is the whole investigation for 5 years. They did not found any evidence during this investigation but rather than admitting the fact that they fucked up and that everyone in the group is innocent, they are trying to argue that all the evidence have been hidden by the fact they encrypted everything.

        Figured it was something like this. It sounds like one of those “The police know they fucked up and are now grasping at any straw they can find in an attempt to cover their asses” situations.

        • skulblaka@kbin.social
          22·
          1 year ago

          “We can’t find any evidence. But we definitely know they’re guilty! They just covered their tracks so well that there is no evidence of wrongdoing available anywhere. Given the situation at hand and how obvious it is, without evidence, that these guys have committed a crime, we better lock them up.”

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      1 year ago

      They drew a dick on Macron.

      Which is actually kinda hilarious. Until the dick sent his goons…

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I can only assume that the only reason he got elected was because they confused his name for macaron, and everyone loves cookies, right?

          I mean? Macarons are sweet tasty and frequently fun-colored. What’s not to love

    • YMS@kbin.social
      10·
      1 year ago

      According to Wikipedia, they were arrested 3 years ago, not 5. Of the 9 people arrested, 2 were released after 3 days, the other 7 were charged, but only 1 of them was still kept detained after “a few months”, and he was released for health reasons in April (though he still is charged).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_December_2020_incident