Maybe if they stopped doing all the things that make them look awful we’d change our minds. But putting over 2 million people into an open air prison and constantly killing them and targeting children and even journalists and medics as they have? How could anyone think they aren’t bad, unless you just don’t care about any lives but Israeli lives.
Gaza isn’t a prison. Until the latest escalation, thousands would cross the boarder daily to go to/from work. Israel gave them humanitarian aid, gave them free healthcare l. Thousands of trucks crossed daily. Israel wants peace, that’s why they are normalising relations to the Saudis l, why they gave Sinai to Egypt. Hamas just wants Israel gone and constantly provokes them to keep the cycle of violence going
They would cross the border only if Israel let them with a work permit. They can’t even leave because they won’t be allowed back in, Palestinians have been stuck in camps for decades in other countries because of this.
If they won’t let you leave without permission, and won’t let you return if you flee them trying to kill you, how is this not a prison?
I saw enough dead child, women and men from the Israeli strikes on schools , hospitals and homes. The horrible hunting screams of fathers and mothers after loosing their children. The empty stare of the sole surviving childs and the ones holding their toddler sibling near the rubbles of their destroyed home, standing not far from the decapitated body of their mother. I saw it happens many and many times before. The expression “it’s a complicated situation” being etched in my mind as I read the responses feeling helpless that the worst crimes can be tossed behind these words. It’s not about accepting Isreal it’s seeing the atrocities they’ve committed countless times before remaining unpunished, disgustingly cheered and applauded many times.
But It’s okey. Humans will destroy themselves sooner or later and these atrocities will forcefully stop.
The difference is, hamas attacks out of hatred towards Israel and Israel attacks to destroy outposts of a terror organisation. Hamas intentional uses hospitals and schools as an outpost to use as a propaganda tool.
I agree civilian casualties are always bad, but you have to accept that Hamas has the goal to maximise them, even on the Gaza side - otherwise they would loose support.
The claim That their freedom fighters are categorized by us and our friends as terrorists will never work on me. The Ukrainian resistance aren’t called terrorists, the french resistance during ww2 weren’t called terrorists. Hamas are like them freedom fighters and the atrocities they commit mirrors that of the aggressor. Among hamas are the sole children left after an Israeli strike, the crazed fathers that lost their families. They want freedom and they fight for it !
The Ukrainian resistance aren’t called terrorists, the french resistance during ww2 weren’t called terrorists.
That’s probably because neither of those groups exhibited the mediaeval barbarity against civilians Hamas has been celebrating.
Hamas are like them freedom fighters and the atrocities they commit mirrors that of the aggressor.
Hamas is explicitly calling for genocide. “The aggressor,” is not. Israel goes to great lengths to minimize civilian deaths, even notifying targets of incoming airstrikes before they hit.
If you think these actions are morally equivalent your moral compass is broken. One side is trying to defend themselves and the other side is trying to eradicate every member of their opponent’s society.
They want freedom and they fight for it !
Perhaps they should negotiate for it rather than continually provoking an enemy they cannot defeat militarily and hiding among civilians. That would prevent many needless civilian casualties.
Hamas has in their charter, calls for the extermination of the Israelites and rejection of peace settlements.
So yeah they’re terrorists.
France and Ukraine didn’t/don’t have the goal of exterminating all Germans/Russians.
There’s no world where Israel and Palestine peacefully coexist. And you can’t compromise or negotiate with someone whos official stance is “We want your race dead and will reject all peace deals”
Same goes for you, you won’t accept, that israel maybe isn’t as bad as it’s made to be
Maybe if they stopped doing all the things that make them look awful we’d change our minds. But putting over 2 million people into an open air prison and constantly killing them and targeting children and even journalists and medics as they have? How could anyone think they aren’t bad, unless you just don’t care about any lives but Israeli lives.
Because they don’t do, what you just said.
Gaza isn’t a prison. Until the latest escalation, thousands would cross the boarder daily to go to/from work. Israel gave them humanitarian aid, gave them free healthcare l. Thousands of trucks crossed daily. Israel wants peace, that’s why they are normalising relations to the Saudis l, why they gave Sinai to Egypt. Hamas just wants Israel gone and constantly provokes them to keep the cycle of violence going
They would cross the border only if Israel let them with a work permit. They can’t even leave because they won’t be allowed back in, Palestinians have been stuck in camps for decades in other countries because of this.
If they won’t let you leave without permission, and won’t let you return if you flee them trying to kill you, how is this not a prison?
Shocker, you need a permit to cross the border between different jurisdictions
I saw enough dead child, women and men from the Israeli strikes on schools , hospitals and homes. The horrible hunting screams of fathers and mothers after loosing their children. The empty stare of the sole surviving childs and the ones holding their toddler sibling near the rubbles of their destroyed home, standing not far from the decapitated body of their mother. I saw it happens many and many times before. The expression “it’s a complicated situation” being etched in my mind as I read the responses feeling helpless that the worst crimes can be tossed behind these words. It’s not about accepting Isreal it’s seeing the atrocities they’ve committed countless times before remaining unpunished, disgustingly cheered and applauded many times.
But It’s okey. Humans will destroy themselves sooner or later and these atrocities will forcefully stop.
The difference is, hamas attacks out of hatred towards Israel and Israel attacks to destroy outposts of a terror organisation. Hamas intentional uses hospitals and schools as an outpost to use as a propaganda tool.
I agree civilian casualties are always bad, but you have to accept that Hamas has the goal to maximise them, even on the Gaza side - otherwise they would loose support.
The claim That their freedom fighters are categorized by us and our friends as terrorists will never work on me. The Ukrainian resistance aren’t called terrorists, the french resistance during ww2 weren’t called terrorists. Hamas are like them freedom fighters and the atrocities they commit mirrors that of the aggressor. Among hamas are the sole children left after an Israeli strike, the crazed fathers that lost their families. They want freedom and they fight for it !
That’s probably because neither of those groups exhibited the mediaeval barbarity against civilians Hamas has been celebrating.
Hamas is explicitly calling for genocide. “The aggressor,” is not. Israel goes to great lengths to minimize civilian deaths, even notifying targets of incoming airstrikes before they hit.
If you think these actions are morally equivalent your moral compass is broken. One side is trying to defend themselves and the other side is trying to eradicate every member of their opponent’s society.
Perhaps they should negotiate for it rather than continually provoking an enemy they cannot defeat militarily and hiding among civilians. That would prevent many needless civilian casualties.
Hamas has in their charter, calls for the extermination of the Israelites and rejection of peace settlements.
So yeah they’re terrorists.
France and Ukraine didn’t/don’t have the goal of exterminating all Germans/Russians.
There’s no world where Israel and Palestine peacefully coexist. And you can’t compromise or negotiate with someone whos official stance is “We want your race dead and will reject all peace deals”
Your logical fallacy is tu quoque.
And who asked ?