• FMT99@lemmy.world
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    The UN and EU consider lots of things Israel does illegal. We just don’t do anything about it and they don’t care.

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      This is true. But it is also because there isn’t a much better alternative.

      The Palestinians don’t have a Nelson Mandela, MLK or Mahatma Gandhi kind of person that the western world can rally around and support.

      Like, I’m sitting here at home in Europe, thoroughly disapproving of Israel, while being also fully disgusted by what Hamas did.

      And I understand why Palestinians fight. I can understand that they can’t be fully pacifist and that they don’t have the capability to wage a normal war, so they result to asymmetric warfare.

      But if they had just cleanly killed or kidnapped the adults and spared the children, that would have been the minimum to not fully alienate a lot of people who are sympathetic to their cause.

      I guess Yasser Arafat was the best they had and it only went downhill after that.

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        The problem I have with the “both sides” argument is while I agree we should not approve of Hamas’ actions, Israel routinely murders civilians without consequence. We tut and tsk but we still send them basically unlimited aid and approval.

        Yes both sides behave badly but one side does so with our explicit support.

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          Don’t forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents.

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          We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians.

          Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was.

          And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook.

          Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don’t have the solution for this quagmire.

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            The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them.

            Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising.

            I don’t think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there.

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            The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel.

            And there isn’t a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though.

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            Development aid, not weapons as the west supplies to Israel. But otherwise you’re right. The whole region should be disarmed.

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        Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly.

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          I was alive when Nelson Mandela was active, and he wasn’t called a terrorist in the west.

          He was revered as a hero by many in the West, just like Navalny is revered today.

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            So were the IRA…

            And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions.

            At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another.

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            As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly?

            It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire.

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            As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ?

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      The UN condemns Israel as a pastime activity. Nobody in Israel cares what they say at this point.