Unfortunately I have been living under a rock recently.

Can someone please ELI5 it for me ?

  • SwearingRobin@lemmy.world
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    From my limited knowledge of the matter:

    • Elon Musk wants Neuralink (his product/company) to become an actual product that people can buy someday
    • Testing has been done on monkeys and Elon wants human trials approved ASAP (might have already?)
    • Researchers from Neuralink have since come out against human testing apparently due to the horrible inhumane conditions that the monkey trials had on their test subjects.

    Everyone feel free to correct me on anything or elaborate. I just thought that a not so good answer is better than none.

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      The question for me which remains, is whether the monkeys at neuralink are undergoing a particularly bad treatment or if this is a symptom of generalized animal testing. Basically, is it any better at any other location where animal testing is done? Of course, in no way does this justify or defend any of the bad behavior, but I’m cautious because there sometimes seem to be unjustified focus on some places which get all the criticism while others keep doing what they do, free of any oversight, which is quite hypocritical.

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        No, no. It’s not about the lab conditions. Altho that may be a thing too. What they mean is that the product itself was causing brain damage to the monkeys and stuff like that. That makes human trials very dangerous

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      Iirc they didn’t actually make any progress in the field of neuroscience and all the neuroscientist quit long ago because Musk rushed everything.

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        It was approved specifically for people with paralysis, rather than all the other wild clickbait-intended claims Musk makes

        The hope is that all this extra scrutiny around their testing record so far will make it so that the human trials are by the book and well documented. At the very least, that evidence isn’t destroyed this time

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      I think the word might be ‘understating’, since the ‘under’ and ‘exaggerate’ cancel out?

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    Technology works, has for many years.

    Even I’ve gotten the OCZ NIA to work and control my character’s movement in a video game
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_Impulse_Actuator

    The issue is a medical one.

    Where I could spend a few hours(training) to get the NIA to work, it all goes out the window the moment you move it or take it off.

    So the solution is to permanently implant the electrodes into the brain. (Even on the scalp will move over time, so that’s not an option)

    But the issue with implants is infection and scar tissue formation.

    They haven’t been able to solve the infection and scar tissue problem all these years, and Musk isnt’ doing any better with it. Even with nano wires.

    Even Valve has been working on Brain-Computer interface for years.

    IMO, they should give up on the permanent fixation, and look for some kind of reference point, and do a antenna re-alignment that can be calibrated every time you put it on.

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      I think that’s an important point here: there are legitimate medical uses and this technology can really help people with paralysis and other neurological issues.

      The problem comes down to the company. Neuralink isn’t doing something super groundbreaking, and there are many other companies working on this. Companies with different methodology, ethical standards and practices.

      Unlike some other tech, medical research isn’t something you rush through to get the results you want. It can be a really cool science, but going for the ‘cool’ delivery mechanism or procedure isn’t helpful.

      If they can’t handle doing it correctly, they won’t get it done. Someone else will

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        The important thing to remember here is that there is always a risk-reward trade-off. No matter what you do, you’re always making a choice, and doing nothing is also bad for you.

        It’s one thing to open up the skull to give a locked in individual a much greater quality of life.

        It’s a completely different thing to treat toenail fungus with a drug that has a sufficiently high probability of killing your liver (and killing you or requiring a transplant).