My sister was nearly put on the registry when she was 15 for slapping a friends butt in school who had decided she didn’t want to be friends with her anymore but hadn’t exactly communicated it. She chose to communicate that by accusing her of SA.
My sister avoided the registry by a mix of community service and counseling, but I always thought it was wild that she was at risk while under 18.
Yeah, I remember when everyone was starting to get decent camera phones and then news articles started popping up about high schoolers being picked up by the FBI for producing child porn by sending nudes, and their girlfriend/boyfriend for seeing them. There was a bit of panic, that was then promptly ignored because “it’d never happen to us”.
Can’t imagine how different someones life would be if they were tagged as a sex offender before even turning 18.
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I feel completely disconnected… do you mean that zoomers are prude compared to previous generations (I didn’t know that) and that’s because of the fear of getting caught on camera for making saucy jokes/comments?
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Thank you
Prudes? How so
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Yeah I don’t think this is completely true. I’m not in Gen Z but close enough and I do see that they’re a lot more accepting of a broad spectrum of attitudes toward sex, and that includes asexuality, but I think they’re also quite accepting of people being quite the opposite of that. I think where they get more weirded out and are willing to say so is when people - and because of patriarchy, it’s almost always men, but not always toward women - make sexual comments about real people who aren’t explicitly inviting that. That’s something that has been declining in acceptability over time anyway and Gen Z just more commonly takes it a bit farther, and has a better understanding of consent. But I’ve really never seen this “women aren’t capable of consenting” thing outside of a strawman for people who want to pretend it exists by misinterpreting real criticism.
make sexual comments about real people who aren’t explicitly inviting that
Listen, if cat-calling and unwanted comments go away because of Gen Z, they’ll have my undying gratitude. As it stands I’m just waiting to age into invisibility.
It probably won’t, but I think it will get better.
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There’s definitely been a sort of… new flavor of conservatism spring up on the left. I would say it was more mid and late era millennials who started really demanding people fall in line though. Gen-Z just sorta inherited the mess. I expect there to be a rebound effect here soon, as this over-sensitivity/over-accommodation/censorship culture is unworkable long term. We’re monkeys wearing business suits inside a violent exploitive natural world. Everything we do harms someone somewhere.
How do you transfer what you wrote to people having more or less intercourse? Where is the connection?
Without getting a signed legal consent document in advance, how do you as a young person prove that any sex act was consensual? You can’t, usually. This can breed crippling fear of real life encounters.
General social dysfunction leading to people being scared of each other, or just giving up on human interaction because of the risks or frustrations we’re creating.
Can you please link to these statistics? Because I only find news articles on web sites with no statistics either, just various degrees of sensationalism without anything backing up their claims with concrete numbers or how and whom they surveyed.
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You do know that Google results are different, for different people, right?
This also all seems to regard the US only, OP made it seem like this was a general trend.
So, some context as to why this happens: the US does not give a fuck about how old someone is if they’re involved in the production of csam, nor does it care if it was voluntary. This means that, in the eye of the law, a teenager sending nudes to their boyfriend is just as much of a pedophile as the man shooting child porn; and their boyfriend is just as much of a pedophile for viewing and possessing them. I’m guessing that OP likely posted this after reading an article like this: https://apnews.com/article/child-images-police-columbus-cf377933b5be55297cf88c923b8f0b92
It doesn’t stop there though. I have been told to never, ever try to submit evidence to the FBI of someone being a child predator. The reason for that is because the FBI does not give a fuck. They will prosecute you as a predator, even if you’re just trying to do the right thing. Combine that with the fact that an accusation of being a predator is life-ending, even if you’re found innocent, and it encourages people to destroy evidence and stay quiet.
Finally, if there’s any csam on your PC, whether or not you’re aware of it, regardless of whether you received it voluntarily (like temp browser files from accidently viewing a hijacked website with cp on the page), you are automatically a pedophile in the eyes of US law. This is especially destructive when it comes to a video, where each frame is counted as an individual piece of csam. This means you can potentially be taken to court for hundreds or thousands of pieces of child pornography because someone embedded a clip of cp in a movie.
Fuck pedophiles, but the law needs an overhaul. In addition to the number of people who got put on the registry as kids, there are probably a lot of people who’ve gotten fucked because they were legitimately trying to do the right thing.
Edit: I could be wrong about this, the law may have changed or I may have been misinformed. It’s been a long time since I was told this, but it’s in line with the article I linked and the one OP linked, so it’s unfortunately far too believable to disregard. If there are any legal experts who can counter this, please speak up.
Edit 2: someone has replied telling me that I’m at least partially wrong, which I’m happy to hear. Still, stay safe. It seems like using csam to fuck with people, especially those in marginalized communities, is becoming more popular. Report it, clear your cache and/or temp files directory (whichever is associated with the program you had the misfortune of viewing it through), and move on. Or, to put it another way, treat it as if you accidently picked up an unshielded bar of plutonium by the side of the road. Put it down, leave the area, report it to authorities, thoroughly clean yourself off (then maybe go to the hospital).
Um, yeah, most of this is made up.
If you encounter CSAM on the web, just report it to https://report.cybertip.org/ and clear your cache. You don’t have to fill out all the detail fields; just give 'em the URL that linked to it.
But mostly, don’t go looking. Don’t try to be a brave vigilante willing to subject yourself to awfulness in order to protect children. That’s not how it works. If you go looking, folks will assume you’re participating.
I was mainly talking about submitting evidence, like a discord screenshot of someone posting cp. I might still be wrong there though.
Edit: like, the issues Lemmy has had with people spamming csam is an example of how someone might come across it unintentionally. Someone might feel compelled to actually submit a screenshot or the video itself as evidence to the FBI, which I’ve been told is a very bad idea.
NCMEC is the legally designated place to report it. Don’t go to any more trouble than you need to. There are folks whose job it actually is to track this stuff down, take it down, and prosecute the people creating it. Let them do their job.
Yeah it’s just absurd. The offender registry is full of victims. Sure it is. /s
There is some grain of truth in his otherwise mad babbling.
Ohio treats sexting between underage teenagers as manufacturing child pornography https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2019/01/teen-sexting-is-child-porn/
and there was the cunt bitch of a cop recently that threatened a guys 11 year old girl with arrest cause he called the police to report a guy grooming her. https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/20/us/columbus-ohio-police-officers-under-investigation/index.html
I cant find it, cause the previous story about the girl is most the searches, but I also seem to recall a story about a kid from…michigan? i think? being labeled a child porn producer because of nudes between him and his girlfriend or something, I dont know, its been a few years.
And lets not forget that you can end up on the sex offender registry for harmless things such as public urination (which tends to only happen in places that make it very difficult to access bathrooms…surely not by purpose /s) and prank streaking… and theres also been some cases of people being like…a year and a half a part in age, together from the early gate, but the second one dings 18, some disgruntled family member reports them and they end up arrested, tried, and on the sex offender registry for acts against a minor.
To be honest, it is manufacturing it. Who knows who has access to anything on Internet connected devices. Also, if all were places were as strict as Ohio on this matter, AI generated porn made with classmates would have been seen more serious before it spread.
These problems are pretty common the world over. In Australia the risks of teenagers setting each other are taught in schools.
Yes there are instances where a minor might be unjustly added to the register, but there are many more cases where minors are legitimate predators and adding them to the register is in the public interest.
Australian here; can confirm that in High School over ten years ago we had a cop come and explain to our class (among many other things) that taking nude photos of yourself, your friends or your partner is still considered production of child abuse material, at least in NSW. I’ve literally never heard of a child being charged though, and I work in Child Protection where we regularly get reports about exactly this issue.
What the FUCK
The problem isnt the registries per se, it is that they are extremely poorly administered if children are being put on them. The criteria for adding an individual to such registries needs to be strict and with a reasonably high threshold, so that nobody gets on one for things like pissing outside, or accidental exposure, or minors sexting each other, or for accidentally having a few CSAM images that they had downloaded unwittingly etc
I had some involvement with a local registry some years back, and we only inluded adults who physically offended against minors and with a significant age difference, and adults who were actively and deliberately involved in the production and distribution of copious quantities of CSAM. Most had track records involving multiple offences and multiple victims
The criteria for adding an individual to such registries needs to be strict and with a reasonably high threshold
I think this needs to be part of the law itself. If it’s at the discretion of people in charge of administering it, that’s easily subject to corruption.
Agreed
They shouldn’t exist. If someone is a danger to reoffend they shouldn’t be let out of prision in the first place.
This is what you get with a justice system focused on punishment, not justice, and a for profit penal system fixated on money not rehabilitation.
They need treatment and rehabilitation, not incarceration for the sake of filling beds
We do the rehabilitation/ treatment thing here. It does not work, at least long term - not surprisingly really given that it is an innate defect of laregly biological origin. The best solution is perhaps not prison per se but some kind of community where they can live somewhat normal lives but are isolated away from children and have filtered net access so there is no possibilty of their reoffending
This would be the ideal solution, yes
What does csam mean?
Child Sex Abuse Material
In my state they put you on the sex offender registry if you get caught pissing outside
To my mind, this sort of thing (no pun intended) waters down the entire meaning of the thing.
Which bullshit and we need to fix that. I remember listening to a podcast about the woman who help create that after her son was taken. She says she regrets the program and wish she never created it because of shit like this.
The problem is that saying that you want to get rid of the registry, it’s people looking at you funny and automatically assuming that you must be some kind of creep if you have a problem with “punishing creeps”
That list isn’t going anywhere unless you educate people on just how strict the rules are for people on the list and how lenient the rules are for getting people on to the list.
Relevant stand up from Gianmarco Soresi:
https://youtube.com/shorts/jcXK-sPqsL0?si=TbKCSu5EFWIX_JMg
Sorry for the shorts link, was the easiest to find quickly for just this segment.
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There was a video on the old site, recently, where a Ring doorbell caught an officer interaction. Man reported other man as grooming his daughter, who was convinced to send nudes. Cop said she could be arrested for creating child pornography. This is the stupid world we live in.
According to a podcast I listened to a few years ago, kids have even gone on the sex-offender list for pissing in public. I don’t doubt that to be true. It made me a lot more cautious about peeing on a tree late at night when drunk.
The idea that my life could change because somebody claims to see my junk is, frightening.
The officers and DA want to fluff up their arrest and conviction records. CP charges generate such an emotional response out of people that they rarely look closer at the case until all is said and done. The LEOs know this. That’s your motive and method.
That was from my town unfortunately. Bored cops who didn’t want to do their job when a concerned dad called and they (thankfully) had a complete loss of situational awareness so we all get to watch what happened on the doorbell camera.
Good on the dad for immediately shutting them down when he saw the direction it was going: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2023/09/18/columbus-police-officers-backlash-viral-video-child-sexual-misconduct-call-11-year-old-grooming/70895034007/
