So I had researched it a while ago and don’t recall having found anything effective and non-suspicious to protect from public camera mass survaillence in cities and the like. Is there anything that is a good option for that yet, and if so, could you point me toward it?
Covid masks can be effective, and it’s not as suspicious as asymmetrical makeup or a reflective hoodie. But no, there’s no good way to avoid being photographed in public.
I read somewhere they they can identify you typically with about 35% of your face.
Yeah, a high-res image giving the position of ears, eyes, and nose is damning.
ears and eyes alone give you a shocking amount of identifyability. We’re getting real fucking close to the CSI levels of facial identification.
Who knew my sensory issues having ass was relatively safe all along between my noise cancelling over ears, sunglasses and COVID masks
You’ll still have to be careful they’re targeting people with sensory issues and neurodivergence next.
I’m not American, but yeah I’m staying vigilant
I hope to hell we’re not infectious, but I worry for everyone, everywhere, eventually. I’m afraid we’re just ahead of the curve.
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Mask and sunglasses? Then put random things in your shoe everyday to change your gait?
There is no effective technical solution for political problems. If you find one, it will soon be outlawed or rendered ineffective (eg if you wear mask and sunglasses, prepare to be harassed by law enforcement). Lobbying to stop unconstrained surveillance is the only option.
Lemon juice? /s
context, for the unaware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Greater_Pittsburgh_bank_robberies
Thanks for sharing, what an amazing read^^
I’ve never seen an explanation as to why the guy thought that the lemon juice would work. Did someone tell it to him that or did he come up with it himself.
Younger me recalls (incorrectly) that they used lemon juice on the film in the first Star Wars movie, as a special effect to blur the base of the land speeder so it appeared to be hovering. They actually used vaseline, smeared on the lens, not the film, plus had mirrors under the vehicle too. I had told this lemon juice ‘fact’ to several people before someone finally corrected me.
My memory was wrong and I wonder how I came to that conclusion. Maybe I watched a ‘behind the scenes’ show on how they did the special effects, and they said it wrong. Maybe it was a show that presented the use of lemon juice in some other tangentially related special effect and I mixed the two up. Maybe I had read an article about using lemon juice to distort picture film in the developing process.
I wonder if that bank robber did the same mistake but with far worse consequences. The time frame of the robbers mistake was around the same time as my confusion as well.
I’m thinking it’s a conflation with a basic “invisible ink” made with lemon juice.
You write a message in lemon juice on paper; the juice dries clear, then you can heat the paper to darken the juice and make the message legible.
I mixed the two up
How did that go? Was it useful for anything? It sounds like some old practical advice:
Thoroughly mix 2 tablespoons of vaseline with 1 teaspoon of lemon juice and smear it on your penis just before sunset. That will keep the mosquitoes at a distance throughout the night.
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You need to own a few copies of face recog software, and practice with face restructuring latex makeup which gives you a new realistic face with a new bone structure.
Change walking gate. Get shoes with small platforms to change height, learn to walk naturally on those.
Change mannerisms.
It’s doable, but a major pain to pull it off.
Like imagine quickly applying the latex makeup, walking in front of your own identical face recognition camera at home, take everything off, rest, repeat, 10 times a day, 300 days a year, for 10 years. Until it is second nature. Now you can rely on this to do serious work.
You have to create a new person, basically. Assuming you practiced well and tested everything against real software, you can now be a different person for some hours in a reliable way. Once your secondary identity is exposed you’ll need a new tertiary identity. Never do anythiny fishy as your base identity.
The real solution is political, like everyone else has said. Because you won’t be able to fool the system casually without a massive effort and practice, practice, practice on your own property first, before you rely on this for real work in the wild.
It depends on the surveillance coverage. If it’s widespread enough, they can track you between your departure and arrival locations. You’d also need two more disguises for both entering and exiting.
And of course, if you have a cell phone on you that pings anything, the jig is up.
For the cell phones, faraday cage bags would be a solution.
Horse mask should work
Gorilla mask. Or one of those 6 foot tall bunny costumes. Or uncle sam ala carnivals a hundred years back.
A hammer?
IR blocking sunglasses are the simplest and most practical solution.
Facial recognition systems compare the distance ratios between your eyes and nose primarily. Hiding your eyes is very effective towards fucking that up. A mask alone is typically not enough.
Sunglasses alone are not enough either. Modern face recognition tech is way better than just distance ratios
Got any further info about these more advanced methods?
I haven’t seen anything beyond the feature distance models. I have seen the models that essentially recreate you entire anatomy in 3D, place it in a database, then use that profile to match to in the future–almost like a 3D match move artist would do for visual effects. Not sure if this is just a proof of concept though.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the millimeter wave scanners at airports have been collecting 3D models of us for this database over the last decades.
I’d guess they probably just have a big blackbox ML image model now. A lot of computer vision tasks are being replaced by blackbox models.
I don’t have any specific technical info. I just know that even 3 years ago the face recognition tech in Moscow could successfully match people even with sunglasses on.
The question is whether they were using infrared to see through normal sunglasses. IR blocking sunglasses prevent “night vision” from seeing through the lenses. Under infared, you can see through normal dark sunglasses like they aren’t even there.
Don’t forget that when you walk the length of your bones can be measured which can be used to identify you.
I guess we can all join The Ministry of Silly Walks.
Yea, but there is a database of peoples faces matched to their names. There is not a database of their bone lengths to the names. That measurement would be done after you were already under suspicion.
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Is that part of gait measurement or separate from it?
That depends on what gait measurement entails to you. I would think so but Wikipedia says that it is just movement analysis.
IR LEDs around your hat or glasses but I believe some cameras can filter out IR.
Yeah, no dice, the better sensors these days don’t have any problem with that. Check out Project Farms recent doorbell camera review. He actually walks up to the doorbell camera with a full on flashlight in the pitch black of night and they still have no problem.
Don’t mind me, just rocking my battery-powered hat
It’s to power the AI obviously 😂
For surveillance cams:
Cover them up and destroy them with drones.
Mask or neck gator, dark shades, toboggan hat or head scarf/wrap that covers your ears. Ears are just about as identifiable as fingerprints.
Long hair also.
wouldn’t want to be mistake for ice tho
Thing is, none of the suggestions in this thread would be used singularly against you. For instance, your gait, unless you genuinely are a member of The Ministry Of Silly Walks. LOL They will use these profiles as complimentary evidence. When all the cards line up, DING! you’re selected as a person of interest.
Tell him what he’s won Johnny!
You learning how to make other people directly around you care. Start with the easy stuff, like helping them leave WhatsApp and Discord.
You mean, a solution against CCTV, right? RIGHT?
mask with dark sunglasses or a ski mask with dark sunglasses
