X revokes paid blue check from United Auto Workers after strike called::After a report called out Musk’s union-busting, UAW’s blue check got reinstated.
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So much for free speech
At this point we just need a large compiled list of every instance of it. There’s so much that I can’t think of an example right away.
There’s so much room for fascist activities!
Did we just become best friends?
Musk is not so absolutist after all.
I wouldn’t say that. He’s always been an absolute piece of shit.
Lol I didn’t see that coming!!
I wonder why the guy who bought Tesla might not want the UAW represented on the platform he bought? I can’t think of why that might be
In completely unrelated related news:
One of the things their talking about is an increase for workers who deal with electric batteries…
I just hope it gives them ideas. fingers crossed
Ah, the “free speech absolutist” doing completely free speech stuff.
Just as much of a Musk hater as the rest of them, but this was posted elsewhere. UAW changed their profile photo at the same time they announced the strike, which triggered the flag on the account. Apparently this is standard with all verified accounts until the photo can be reviewed.
Anywho, fuck Elon Musk!
From the original Intercept article:
This article was updated to include information about a Twitter policy to temporarily remove checkmarks from verified accounts that change their profile pictures. Twitter offered only an auto-response to The Intercept’s request for comment ahead of publication. The article was previously updated to note that Twitter restored UAW’s Twitter verification after publication.
So, a non-article by somebody who didn’t do their research and has already resolved itself. Got it!
Twitter refused to comment prior to the article, Twitter changes their policies like most of us change our underwear, and Twitter is will known to making capricious and spiteful decisions (see also delaying links to domains they don’t like).
Yes, how could anyone be so rude to jump to such conclusions /s
It might be fairer to say the journalists jumped conclusions. But the not doing research part may be accurate.
I mean, the headline is factually correct - maybe there’s an explanation for it (which still raises questions of their reliability for real-time organization moving forward), but it also is extremely suspect seeing as Musk initially was going to buy Twitter to “save democracy” by shaping public discourse, and he’s very anti-union (auto workers in particular)
Better than even odds this was added thoughtlessly during the impersonator checkmark fiasco (which would still be news), but I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt until I hear from some engineers no longer with Twitter
Twitter offered only an auto-response to The Intercept’s request for comment ahead of publication.
By this, they mean that any media questions to Twitter get auto-responded to with the poop emoji. Because Musk is a child.
Elon is a big bag of dicks, but it looks like Twitter is no longer replying with poop emojis. From the linked article:
To a request for comment, X only sent Ars an auto-response, saying, “Busy now, please check back later.”
That’s literally no different except he got pranked to many times with people going “thoughts on tesla build quality” “💩”
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Somewhere an Elon fanboy is explaining why this is peak free speech
Excellent decision sir, human rights are overrated anyway
- probably some blue check person
And failing at it…
I mean technically it’s the free speech of Elon to do whatever with his company, right? Like how the Colorado photographer didn’t have to provide services to gays and how Amazon is no longer allowing BLM.
I mean technically it’s the free speech
Legally, yes. Ethically, definitely no.
How most of society uses that term is not in the legal way, but in the ethical way, which is a topic all on its own; a weird disconnect.
No ethics or morals in a corporate world. Only the law and weighing the fines.
No ethics ir morals in a corporate world.
Society is not just a corporation.
And you get these smooth-brain takes like “Only the government can take away your free speech” because people think that “freedom of speech” and “the First Amendment” are one and the same.
When the savior of humanity declared he was a “free speech absolutist” people misinterpreted his meaning.
He meant that he should have absolute authority over who should have free speech.
Private platform. That was the argument before Elon took over, so I guess same works (or doesn’t) here.
Somewhere an Elon fanboy is explaining why this is peak free speech
This gives off such a movie “It’s a Wonderful Life” vibe.
As an ex Elon fanboy let me literally honestly try the best I can here…
The best I can come up with is, “Hi. Elon here. Revoking UAW’s blue check was just a joke. Get it? Humour! I can humourise with the best of them. Ha. Ha. Ha.”
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In the land of morons, I reasonable person reads the articles and finds this:
To be fair, the Arstechnica article doesn’t mention this, the Intercept article that Arstechnica refers to does, and most people usually don’t read double article in deep before commenting.
Where does it say that? I don’t see it anywhere. I didn’t see it mentioned in the article, either.
It is free speech as I would define it. The UAW had decided foolishly to communicate on a platform run by and for right wing reactionaries. Those asshats are free to moderate however they like, it’s their platform.
Stop using twitter you idiots! Using twitter gives legitimacy to the platform. The platform’s spreads nazi hate speech. What possible excuse does the UAW have for giving legitimacy to a nazi platform???
It’s time to put some of these billionaires in their place. Nationalize his shit, seize his assets, and revoke his passport and citizenship. Fuck Musk, sick of his childish attention seeking bullshit.
Nationalize SpaceX for sure. Let him keep Twitter though, at this point it’s such a dumpster fire that it’s more of an albatross around his neck than an asset, we don’t need the tax payers carrying that shit.
I would say we give him the French treatment. Fucker is just wasting oxygen
And make hundreds of children grow up without a father?
For Ukraine sure but
That seems like a bit of overkill for this
This instance on its own, yeah.
But it has been a pattern again and again.
Trump is going to get hit harder the fifth time a jury finds him liable for defaming E. Jean Carroll than they did the first time.
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Some people are required to use it as part of their job. Most people choose to use it, though, which I agree is mind-boggling.
The socialist advocates for violence after reading one headline.
Is lemmy /pol/ for leftoids?
If nationalization is scandalous violence for you, let me say I want him to get the french treatment.
If you are still on X, then you deserve the world you are struggling in.
Who is struggling because UAW lost their blue check mark? I’m an X user. I’ve found my usage of the product generally uninterrupted and am confused by statements like this.
So you are ok supporting a platform that is actively taking the power away from organization helping people because it is a good experience? I mean you are on Lemmy, so you must have some sense to the issues surrounding centralized anything, especially media?
For me it’s a lot like paying taxes. No I’m not ok with it, but it’s required of me so I just coast along because revolting would not be worth it.
As you say, I have no problem revolting against a platform over injustice (15y Redditor here, left when they did dirty).
They removed a blue check mark. It’s petty. It’s stupid. It’s not revolution worthy imo.
I understand your position and you make some good points here.
Who is struggling because UAW lost their blue check mark?
A: UAW
I’m an X user. I’ve found my usage of the product generally uninterrupted and am confused by statements like this.
A: Martin Niemöller
I didn’t realize that the blue check did anything meaningful that would make it so horrible.
They didn’t put the UAW in a prison camp. Ffs I’m sorry but it’s a leap from blue check to prison camp.
I’ve since discovered that this is a red vs blue powered issue, which makes this discussion moot. Throwing rocks for any reason at the other color isn’t useful. I vote third party and stay out of red vs blue.
I always find it interesting, people assume the Nazis started with killing the Jews, the Gays, the Socialists, the “Degenerate” etc… as soon as they existed, but no, they didn’t, they had to work their way up to that. and some of the first things they did was work to delegitimize their opposition and keep them from speaking out.
As for “I vote third party” good for you, you could just not go to vote, even if a 3ed party gains traction it will only serve as a spoiler to whoever that third party is closer aligned to.
And for the “other color” bullshit, you need to have quite a bit of privilege to say this, after all, LGBTQ rights, woman’s rights, POC Rights, are all just a “blue vs. red” issue in America, but these issues decide on the rights of millions of people.
This is actually a win for UAW. They want to unionize Tesla’s workers, so any anti-union activity on Elon’s part just gives them more ammunition with the NLRB, which has strict rules regarding what ownership is allowed to say publicly. It plays directly into their hands.
Also worth saying that the Biden NLRB is the most pro-union and labor-friendly in history.
Hey the auto workers are striking now… can we just like… do a general strike already?
Sadly, it’s going to need to get a lot worse (it’s already worse) for most Americans to feel enough of the squeeze to care. Until then, the beatings will continue until moral improves…
This dude is such a pussy. I wish he wasn’t terrified to fight Zuckerberg so we could all watch him get his ass kicked.
Whatever happened with that anyways? The last update I ever remember reading was Musk saying he’d show up at Zuckerberg’s front door “tomorrow” demanding to fight.
I mean, I can guess what ended up happening (or not happening) - but was that it? No show, no reason, no follow-up? Is he even keeping up the pretense of being serious anymore?
Please don’t even talk about it. If it actually happened, it would make so much money for them. Let’s not make those withering schmucks the biggest ticket ever.
Last think I heard on it was one of their mums saying no. I forget which one though
Getting your ass kicked is not even a big deal in combat sports with rules. You’ll mostly be fine, you can spin the story. I bet Zuck gets beat all the time in training. I rather see Musk call out fights and back out. That is such a pussy move.
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he has delegitimized any credibility his platform once held?
Again?
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It’s delegitimization all the way down.
That’s the whole point
No, this is a straight up win for UAW. They are trying to unionize Tesla’s workers, so any anti-union activity on Elon’s part only plays into their hands at the NLRB level.
“Oh no! My blue check!!” It’s not real and it’s not a display of power like he thinks.
It’s not that he doesn’t care. It’s the goal. Killing the credibility of social media is a top priority for authoritarians. They can’t have people talking to each other outside of the shaped narratives delivered by their media companies. That’s why companies spend so much on bot farms, shills and influencers. In order to shape public narratives when they can’t control the media.
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Yes removing a blue checkmark is exactly the same as being kidnapped off the street and sent to a work camp.
As if they’re not openly making plans to do precisely that to to visibly queer people. Guess we don’t need to worry about the Nazis because they’re doing things in a slightly different order this time around, right?
As if they’re not openly making plans to do precisely that to to visibly queer people.
Who is “they”?
The far right, of which Musk is a member.
What does it mean to be right wing to you?
The usual thing it means to people who follow politics. I’m not gonna explain basic vocabulary to you.
Which is what? Monarchist? Liberal? Fascist? Those three things are described as right-wing sometimes but are all contradictory.
Far right isn’t the same as right wing. Right wing could be a liberal. Far right is where you start sorting people by their “worth” instead of letting people discover that for themselves.
Far right implies further to the right? How is liberalism which relies on a basic notion of individualism in the same category as ethnonationalism which relies on a basic notion of collectivism?
This is a thread about Twitter blue check marks.
It’s a thread about a far-right asshole going after unions with whatever he has at this disposal.
That’s a pretty bold allegation. Any proof or are you just slippery sloping the shit out of a blue check mark?
How about the history of the state of Florida over the last five years
We aren’t talking about Florida. This is about X.
Or who did you mean by “they”
this was answered already, but since you don’t seem to get it the first 5 times, “they” refers to far right actors, such as Musk.
I was genuinely confused but now I’ve realized that I stumbled into some polarized red vs blue nonsense that I have no intention of continuing. I don’t make it a habit to group reds and blues together and collectively pin everything on the group.
Politics is a sham and arguing red vs blue is actually the problem.
Read about Project 2025. The far is right is announcing its intentions to anyone who will listen.
Wait, we jumped from X removing a blue check mark to the far right spouting nonsense? That’s a huge leap
Have you heard the things Elon says, or seen the people he signal boosts, or heard of the people and groups he associates with? It’s about as big of a leap as me getting out of bed in the morning, specifically back when I lived in a treehouse and slept on the floor.
No I haven’t. But I definitely know that no one is throwing visibly queer people in work camps in the USA.
I’ve since discovered that this is a red vs blue powered issue, which makes this discussion moot. Throwing rocks for any reason at the other color isn’t useful. I vote third party and stay out of red vs blue.
it’s not really a huge leap. Musk is literally part of the group, trying to pull it off.
Elon Musk is trying to send visibly queer people to concentration camps? Is there proof of this or is this just some red vs blue nonsense?
before the Nazi party came to power, they would show up to rallys, protests and town squares to silence political opponents through intimidation and physical violence.
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That worked out stellar for Weimar Germany, didn’t it?
Unless you know nothing of the time before Hitlers rise to power and just how bloods it was.
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you live in an interesting world, either you wait until some far right threat as built it’s self up and radicalized, or do exactly that, but this time try to shoot first.
the whole idea of maybe there was a bunch of stuff leading up to the Nazis threatening to shoot you that you could intercede in, stopping the whole need for shooting in the first place apparently never crossed your mind.
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Y’all love to larp when it comes to guns, but never hear about the community work you’ve done.
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Do you think community work is where people go preach?
It’s setting up a neighborhood pantry, showing up to community meetings, rendering aide to my unhoused brethren, helping the local maker space setup an electronics lab. None of that involves preaching.
And yes, the community work is going well. Does a lot to alleviate alienation under capitalism.
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I don’t know if you know this, but there’s a big difference between how people act with anonymity and how they act in real life.
There are definitely real Nazis. They are definitely bad guys. Removing a blue checkmark is not anywhere close to the same as people being deported to concentration camps in the literal Holocaust.
Do you understand how ridiculous this sounds?
Nothing is going to happen to any striking workers. No one is “coming” for the actual trade unionists.
The thing with comparing things to the Nazis, or to similar groups, is that they did not start with the camps and warfare. It took time for them to reach the point of being powerful enough to do that and actually going through with it, so it is still possible to make comparisons to them when things aren’t at that extreme, if one is comparing something to how they (or other fascists for that matter) acted before getting to that point.
Elon and the Twitter company are not anonymous? They’re using their position to actively bury opinions they dislike. by removing a blue check it means less people will see union organizing efforts and messaging.
The Nazi started deporting after they came into power and again they came into power and held their power by silencing their opposition. Stop being a Corpo fasist apologist.
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Isn’t the comment you are responding to a joke? That’s how I read it. It’s a funny one too.
It’s infuriating that people are beholden to this fucking loser.
I was not aware anyone was being required to use the twat platform.
Beholden by choice. They’re simps.
I’m not on twitter and never was, but I’m not silly enough to think billionaires don’t shape my world in a million fucking ways with their unilateral decisions. Elon here has a HUGE one recently in deciding to disable starlink during a Ukraine offensive.
Trying to assist his rich buddies with fucking with the union is a lower tier crime but still its fuckery that affects a lot of people.
Then we’ve got other rich asshats selling state secrets for money.
Billionaires are a liability and everyone needs to realize it.
The “I don’t use Twitter so that’s a you problem” is a thought terminating cliche.
This is a win for UAW though. They are trying to unionize Tesla’s workers and this behavior gives them an edge on the already labor-friendly NLRB by showing that Elon is actively anti-union.
If anyone thinks for a moment that union organizers don’t actively plan this kind of thing out, I can assure that they do. It’s part of their job description. My union is a lot smaller than UAW and our organizers get up to all kinds of subterfuge and shenanigans, so I can only imagine what the UAW people are doing.
The biggest losers are the people who cannot read for more than 10 seconds at a time.
This article was updated to include information about a Twitter policy to temporarily remove checkmarks from verified accounts that change their profile pictures.
Elon hates that auto workers have gone on strike? I’m shocked…
Ahemmm just pure “they be crafty”… Like did UAW keep their
twitterX account just so they thought “Will Elon be stupid enough to revoke us”. Since it is clear sign of anti-union behavior by CEO of a car company by concrete act and well car company CEO can’t exactly do that with atleast potentially getting in trouble. It won’t suffice alone, but combine it with other actions by Tesla and UAW can argue “Tesla as company all the way to the CEO shows a consistent pattern of anti-union activity of actively hindering our union drives. That is supposed to be illegal”.Atleast I think UAW doesn’t mind at all the publicity, this will cause for them “Automaker CEO revoked us, since all business is too conglomerized to too few hands and control way too much of the business”
The reason he’s upset is that the UAW is bringing unions to battery manufacturing.
Oh no, unions wanting to expand the sectors industry they cover? How suprising. 😃
Makes sense, electric vehicles have far fewer component assemblies and battery systems will be the most expensive part for ages, UAW wants in on those production lines.
Heck it is say for example straight up the plan in Europe. Since say for example there is no getting away from IG Metal for all German makers. Since IG metal literally covers pretty much whole industrial manufacturing and so on.
So they just immediately went “IG Metal, workers of the company, now don’t go doing anything rash… we have retraining program planned”.
Remember this was what Herbet Diess of VW got in trouble in part. Saying to Wolfsburg of “large fraction of you should be just unceremoniously fired, we need more cost efficiency”. Though his main fall was the mismanagement of Cariad and software delay resulting. Which caused the cardinal sin of any big legacy car CEO… Announced launch and delivery dates were not kept. Out he goes unceremoniously.
I found it funny how some were going “The CEO is talking truth to power, the need to cut workers, don’t you understand”. You don’t do that in place like Germany. You can’t get away from IG Metall. They can make CEO’s life living hell, if “employee-employer” relations are not at least on tolerable stance. Even the comments were from union side of caliber CEO seems to be dumb and doesn’t understand how things are done here in Germany.
Work force is the main asset. Meaning retrain. Combustion engine labs will be soon instead studying most efficient heat pump setups, most efficient electric motor windings and most importantly Battery pack and cell optimization. The casting plant, that cast and machined engine blocks. Congratulations you are still casting “engine blocks”, only now these new engine blocks are called “electric drive unit housings”. Assembly people are moved from assembled double clutch gearboxes and engine valve trains to assembling electric drive units and battery packs. So on and so on. The gear cutters who cut transmissions, well we still need reduction gearings and say differentials and so on.
well put.
I would also add… the part count hasn’t actually dropped overall maybe as much as people might think. Since… seats are parts, head rests are parts, doors are parts, windows are part, body panels are parts, suspension springs are parts. The mechanical drive train part count sure has gone down. There was many many valves and springs in engine and so on. However mostly the overall assembly line is still the same. The final assembly line doesn’t care “are we putting in fuel tank or battery pack”, “is the motor here electric or combustion one”, “oh these fuel lines are electric instead of fluid, well still pretty thick and stiff lines to run, wrangle in there you dastardly high voltage wire as thick as my thumb”.
People often forget most of the car… is the car, not it’s drivetrain. Drivetrain is there to move around the car, the cabin. Lot of effort and parts go in the cabin and it is often what sells the car, not the drivetrain. Many a car sale is decided on “hey honey, try these seats, these are really comfortable”. Instead on “is the 0-60 7.2 seconds or 5.3 seconds”. Can you fit the baby stroller in the back boot and so on sells cars. None of that changes, even though the mechanical drive train is completely different.
All the upholstery and final assembly department is still exactly same. Except the fuel tank and engine reverse weight. The electric motor weights less than the engine block, but that electric fuel tank sure has gained weight over the empty liquid one.
I was saving for a Tesla. Not anymore.
This whole incident probably took place from automation. As others have stated they changed the profile photo and the system needs verification. The software probably has a hash value for the photo and when they changed the photo the hash value changed triggering the chain of events. You guys are really hung up on hating him but he probably had nothing to do with it other than the initial design verification.
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Not everyone is paying for the blue checkmark as far as i know
But in this case, it was a paid blue checkmark.
Hash value? Twitter hosts their account, they literally have to ask Twitter to change the pic.
There’s several ways this could be tracked, but if they claimed somewhere they were hashing values and that triggered it, something very fishy is going on.
Like the only way that could happen is if they changed the file hosted at a certain exact URL (weird, especially for an auto workers union), and despite hosting the pics themselves, Twitter added a periodic check for this edge case. But also flagged that as more suspicious than updating it normally
And instead of keeping the cached version until the new one is reviewed, they changed it but flagged the account. Seeing as they basically pioneered sharding, I find this whole situation pretty coincidental
Usually I’d assume incompetence introduced during the imposter checkmark fiasco after they lost all their best engineers, but Musk has shown himself very willing to put his fingers on the scale…
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I don’t think that’s what fascism is
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Only after elected they absorb the union into the state. Before elections the Nazis backed many of the unions.
well no, the Nazis paid lip service to “workers” in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because “they were all Marxists”, the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines.
so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn’t back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun “backing”
Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions.
the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF)
Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state “union”
unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun “backing”
Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3?
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No? I don’t generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn’t say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them.
This is blatantly ahistorical and you’d almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this.
The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as “working people’s comrades” during this campaign.
In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike.
They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support
The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike.
Almost like exactly what I said.
My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so.
How so?
No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda and its a good thing. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more.
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You’ll understand when you’re older.
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Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy.
Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda.
No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda
That’s what they just said.
and its a good thing.
If you’re an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not.
If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more.
So you’d be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You’d rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I’d rather have a functioning society, personally, and that’s why I support unions and you should too.
Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services.
Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald’s in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality.
Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam
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Like, unironically. Fascists are extremely anti-union.
There’s obviously a lot more to it, and this is a relatively minor example even after Elon made paid accounts have more visibility, but this is very much one of their things.
The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others.
for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn’t have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn’t stand unions (like ever fascist ever)
please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation.
the Bolsheviks didn’t have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction
Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources.
the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente
You mean central powers
and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary
I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state.
That’s the union’s gonna tear the fascists down, down, down.
lol, literally schizo posting.
This article was updated to include information about a Twitter policy to temporarily remove checkmarks from verified accounts that change their profile pictures.
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