I know that there are a lot of trans people on hexbear, and I know their beliefs are sincere. What I don’t understand is how they square the fact that they would be brutally suppressed, raped, tortured, murdered by the very groups/governments they unwaveringly love and support. It sickens me. Is it a manifestation of self-hatred? I just don’t get why they would degrade themselves like this.
They’re attention whores, and you willingly feed them.
For the most part because you can support their right not to be bombed into oblivion to further America’s imperial ambitions and also disagree with how they treat their lgbtq people. Often these countries were left leaning in the past until America installed a right-wing government.
But you can support these people without supporting their corrupt and violent government?
I stand for solidarity with all peoples, not their rulers.
I usually just lurk blahaj occaisionally but your post annoyed me enough to post for the first time in 2 years
From their thread:
https://hexbear.net/post/5521160
Most places in the world are fairly equally shit for trans people. If a place is doing well, it is often hard for trans people still. If a place is in war and in famine, downgrade those conditions a step as you would if it were somewhere nice and calm.
And Iran isn’t even the worst conditions. Of the countries with the most trans surgeries, the USA is number one, Thailand is two, and Iran is three. Iran’s major cities are very modern and even look nicer to live in than many American ones.
Cost of living is very important to trans people, as we are often making less due to discrimination. Every trans person I’ve talked to in China has mentioned the discrimination and some unusual cultural quirks, but they’ve also mentioned they’ve not met a single homeless trans person. For the record, it’s very easy to find homeless trans people in America, you can find some on hexbear even in our mutual aid comm. And despite the discrimination, these Chinese trans people have cheap housing in the downtown of major cities
Really? Right in front of my blahaj.zone?
I’m pretty sure if someone posts something transphobic, ada personally hunts them down and shoots them with a rifle.
Lol some top comments from their struggle thread following this one:
Stupid fucking ass moron liberals can’t fathom having multiple different priorities, and in this case holding internationalism and socialism through anti-imperialism as a priority above sexuality or gender-identity.
I actually think they CAN comprehend it because they all hold nationalism above these things anyway. Gender-identity and sexuality to them are deprioritised when it comes to America’s strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia for example, why? Because they are nationalists that place their nationalism and supremacy above that of these issues.
The good old “well, they’re muslim so they have to be as bad as the Taliban/ISIS and completely indistinguishable. I won’t look into this at all.” thing. Israel’s policies are in line with many of these nations on LGBTQ, with exceptions only to pink-wash their genocidal ethno-state.
LMAO I got 4 comments deep in their thread before I bailed from the radioactive dumbassery. First one accused me of masturbating while writing this post (WTF?!), second accused me of supporting bombing those countries (I don’t), third was defending non-voters (Because Trump loves LGBT, Iran, and Palestine, right guys?) and the fourth said Iran has better trans healthcare than the US ( Hmmm… Wonder what that could be about…)
My understanding is that the majority of them want to see America fall (for good reason IMO, we’re just billionaire slaves) so they vocally support the opposition to America. They understand the terrible aspects of some of those countries, but given we live in a western propaganda machine that covers those issues readily they focus on pointing out Americas hypocrisy and highlighting all the issues that our propaganda agencys (news) ignore and sweep under the rug.
You’d be better of asking In an instance that isn’t defederated from them (like mine), I assume yours is defederated since nobody from hexbear is here yet.
Some of them actively Stan for the authoritarian regimes and deny their atrocities, even when there is concrete proof. Even when it’s obvious who is in the wrong.
Others are just pointing out why other countries respond negatively to the United States’ actions.
They are not the same.
This is MeanwhileOnGrad you’re writing in.
Yeah but then they go and stay stupid shit like “censorship is a good thing”. So it’s kind of hard to understand the Tankie mind when they literally support oppression. Westerners may be brainwashed by propaganda but at least not all of them are authoritarian bootlickers.
TBF, they do criticise Russia for its LGBT policies: https://feddit.uk/post/9516220
I don’t think they support (modern) russia, they do oppose ukraine though.
They most certainly support them
Wrt China, there were some threads about how why you shouldn´t move there if you´re lgbt+, but it´s all just a really smart play by the CCP “because such rights should come gradually and it would be too divisive at a time where their people need to stay united and strong”
Bizarre how almost everything they post is regurgitation of Putin propaganda. Believe what they do, not what they say.
hamas famously known to be a long time supporter of LGBTQ+
Israel just murder a hundred innocent trans people. They bombed a prison in Tehran, including a wing that housed the regime’s trans prisoners. They dropped a massive precision bomb right on top of the trans wing and murdered a hundred innocent trans prisoners. I can’t recall Hamas ever doing something like that to trans folks.
Fuck state of Israel, fuck Hamas. To think that a fundamentally islamic group would be ok with LGBTQ+ people rights is simply delusional though.
Why do you think that then?
Coming from a much more mildly religious context (compared to Hamas), I know how the majority of religious people feel about this issue. My perspective on the topic is if they are not oppressing them now, they sure will later especially if they come to power.
Yeah whereas it’s sure easier to get gay rights while they’re bombed with the rest
who said one is better than the other. they are both horrible in their own ways
Funny how westerners suddenly care about gays and women when it comes to killing Arabs lmao
“Israel is committing a genocide so support a terrorist organization”?
To be frank, after all that Israel has done to Palestine I don’t blame any Palestinian for wanting to join Hamas honestly. This doesn’t suddenly absolve them of their terrorist actions and fundamental islamism though.
Find one person who has a fully consistent ethical and moral framework. One.
You can’t just reply that to dismiss value criticism.
The criticism is that the instance isn’t consistent in it’s beliefs. My point is that no one is.
Sure, but “no one’s perfect” in the way you use it just ends up dismissing and sidelining valid criticism.
I mean… yeah. You guys are pointing at fucking tankies and expecting them to have a logically consistent framework for their beliefs. Lmao.
This should have been your first reply. The blanket statements were a bridge too far. This criticizes the actual instance and describes the problem.
“Whatabout”
Consistency is so easy: “I’m right, everyone else is wrong, in all questions, for all eterntiy.” Done.
If anything my point would be closer to “I’m wrong, everyone else is wrong, in all questions, for all eternity.”
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Ah, the whataboutism. Inevitable result of the confused tankie when confronted with reality.
mandatory support of Hamas
Are you conflating the support of a nation with the support of a state that exercises control over that nation?
We aren’t, but hexbear seems to.
Hm. Alright.
It’s not like Israel would be any better.
I don’t support Israel either
Whatabout aside, in the specific areas of trans rights they are better than most of the places listed by OP, from what I can tell.
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Israel did just specifically blow up Irans prison where they keep trans people
They attacked the HQ of a horrible religious militia which was physically linked to a prison where they held, amongst others, a lot of trans detainees. It´s Iran’s regime that´s claiming “oh look at how they´re specifically bombing our precious trans prisoners”
They’re both bad dude, but you can’t just act like Israel didn’t drop a bomb right on the roof of the prison for the specific purpose of killing a bunch of trans people. Their spies are sooooo smart as to know where the HQ of this malita is and when to bomb it, but not smart enough to say “hey drop the bomb 100ft to the left so we don’t kill all those prisoners for no reason”
I don´t think Israel is ´infallible´ in its bombing, and I don´t think Iran is honest in its communication
Here´s an article that gives a pretty factual and nuanced take on the situation
So did the Palestinians. My ex did a few journalistic pieces on that. Go look up Tanya Habjouqa and the photog work she did on middle east trans people. It’s fascinating, beautiful, and sad.
There’s just this bizarre Israel apologist stance that isn’t founded in reality whatsoever, and it’s almost as sinister as the extreme hatred of Jews generally.
I’m perfectly contented to take a non-interventionist stance on pretty much everything in the middle east. You can’t protect any group in that region without aligning with fascists.
Hexbear are a bunch of transwashing chuds.
i find it oddly strange people from instances like .zip downvote this post @Sami@lemmy.zip , generally i think the zip stance is acceptable of people of all minorities (AFAIK? but Sami is an admin from .zip so… weird stance to take) which dbzer0 instance would be too then theres some oddities users one downvoted too @anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com some people here really in disguise “secretly” downvoting posts a fascist/bigot bootlicker would
You’re engaging in bad faith just like the post itself is doing.
im open to your critic but just calling it bad faith and not elaborating more on why you think so is also bad faith
Sure, framing it as mandatory wholesale support for x,y,z is disengenuous the same way it would be to call someone who is not vehemently against the United States as a concept in its entirety a bigot due to their current persecution of racial and LGBT minorities. Multiple things can be true at once but when you zero in on specific injustices that nearly the entire world exhibited just 2 decades ago and apply the same standard to people experiencing very different conditions (for example, people who have only known conflict for their entire lives and have not had the same opportunities that rich, safe countries have had) then it comes off as dishonest or at the very least just very myopic and ill informed. Should those injustices be criticized: yes. Are the people pointing out the perceived hypocracy doing it because they genuinely care about LGBT people impacted in those countries: no. I don’t agree with all perspectives expressed in the other direction but I understand why they exist when we exist in a space where certain people are painted with broad strokes while others are afforded infinite nuance in their positions.
fair points i may have misjudged you, my apologies
Idk where you’re getting this but my client has no up or down vote on this and I don’t recall reading this post. I normally ignore flame war rage bait horseshit unless some turd ats me on some purity test witch hunt so congrats I’ve down voted it now.
