• SoleInvictus
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    Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids…

    Followed by

    The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day …

    As little as one hot dog a day? I eat like one every few months. How many hot dogs is the average American eating daily?

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    Like… is it written to excite anxiety?

    Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003. I like how precisely we can measure it using regular statistics, but what does it tell to a human being? To me it tells nothing about hotdogs

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      I guess the point is that it shows the correlation between processed food and cancer is statistically significant. As in there is definitely a link, and this meta analysis shows good evidence this link exists. Even if the impact is small.

      As for the day to day impact of this study, I’m not sure there is one. Processed food is already on WHOs list of things that definitely cause cancer.

      Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003.

      Depending on the average amount of processed meats eaten, it could also show not eating a hot dog every day will reduce your risk of cancer by about that much. It’s probably only important in the cumulative though. When we have studies like this for many foods, you could put together a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say. But one food’s impact like this is probably only important to scientists.

      So getting back to your original question:

      Like… is it written to excite anxiety?

      Yes. Anxiety drives clicks which drives revenue.

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        Like I said, it may be a scientifically interesting study, but the broader audience can’t take anything from it but anxiety.

        a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say.

        That would be significant, but probably not today. The lifetime risk of dying as a pedestrian in a car accident is around 1 in 100, so mitigating other risks is not an option for now

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          Cancer is the leading cause of premature mortality and morbidity (death and disability) in Canada.

          So, an accumulation of small risks, and avoidance of risks, have significant benefits at both the individual and population levels.

          The general population needs to be aware that unhealthy eating is impacting their lives and quality of life.

          Let’s stick to the peer reviewed science and evidence consensus.

          WHO established the four behavioural common risk factors for the four major chronic noncommunicable diseases decades ago.

          The kind of research synthesis in this article is about continuing to build the evidence on relative and absolute risks, and in some cases look at how these differences impact different populations more or less due to intersecting determinants.

          Common risk factors

          • unhealthy diet
          • physical inactivity
          • tobacco use
          • harmful use of alcohol
          • air pollution added more recently

          Major chronic noncommunicable diseases

          • cancer
          • cardiovascular diseases
          • diabetes
          • chronic respiratory diseases
          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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            funny thing is diabetes can cause all the rest of the illness, or as a comorbidity. if your type 2 your at risk for all of those other diseases. people who have type 2 already are taking avrostatin(anti cholesterol meds), maybe blood pressure meds if its high enough, medications to reduce triglycerides. of course insulin, or insulin stimulating medication, because type 2 is insulin resistance. diabetic neuropathy, renal disease. thats type 2 is also a very profitable disease, ton of medications for different associated illnesses.

            type 1 is an expensive disease, but different causes.

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              The reason WHO frames common risk factors and common chronic diseases is because persons with these risks, conditions and diseases often end up with more than one of these diseases.

              e.g., WHO now considers obesity a disease in itself, but obesity is also a biological risk factor for cancer and diabetes.

              There are a lot of interrelationships in the risks.

              More, with these conditions, they are also more vulnerable to infectious diseases.

              It’s important though to keep in mind that, as I note in another reply, these kinds of studies aren’t just about informing individuals’ choices.

              They’re not about ‘blaming’ or ‘shaming’ individuals choices.

              They are about understanding what are the underlying determinants of health and risk factors that are shaping health outcomes.

              Back to the study in question, and the OP’s remark that they were surprised that people were eating that much processed meat daily…

              If the protein sources that are most available and affordable are the most unhealthy, preprocessed ones, then consumers will buy and consume more of these than healthier ones.

              And their preferences and consumption habits will be shaped by these experiences.

              And that will affect overall health and life expectancy of the population.

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            No questions regarding the populational risks as the small percentages would shine with the big numbers.

            WHO’s recommendations remain the same for decades indeed: lower processed and red meat, eat chicken and fiber.

            What’s your point exactly?

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              My point is that raising risks of getting hit by a car, or other accidental causes of injury and death beyond the individual’s control, is a deflection.

              Cancer is the leading cause of death in Canada.

              Full stop.

              No one single risk factor is responsible for that. Building the evidence base to be able to both inform individual behaviour but also to inform food safety regulations is important.

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      This is like saying it’s not safe to go outside because there’s some marginal percent you’ll be murdered or some shit.

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      The title is also shit, leaving put sugars etc and only putting forward processed Meat.

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      Imagine using this argument with someone that gets cancer. Statistics mean nothing to the individual.

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        Isn’t big tobacco still the major investor in cancer epidemiology research? I mean, when it’s not about cigarettes and nicotine

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    im okay with not living to 100 at this point, life is short, and id like it to be shorter.

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        sorry, im canadian. and i talk a lot of shit about the president so its not like i can cross the border. but i respect the hustle.

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      “I would never commit suicide, but I would like to die naturally soon.” - Zoltan Kaszas

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      You don’t want to stick around for the climate collapse, never be able to own anything or retire, and fascist death camps / genocide?

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    What is the definition of “processed” here? blended meat? high salt %? specific preservatives? artificial casing?

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    I’d like to be sealed in a sous vide bag, that way I can be perpetually protected from anything that tastes good and live forever.

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      Doesn’t hydrogen peroxide just degrade into water and oxygen? How is it harmful?

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        when it spontaneously degrades, yes, it turns into tame water and healthy oxygen, but when it touches organic matter (your skin, tongue, mouth, etc) the oxygen directly reacts with the carbon atoms to make CO2, effectively “burning” away your tissues very slowly.

        Usually, you don’t notice that because you use store-bought 3% peroxide, but chemists regularly use the much more powerful 35% peroxide, which gives you nasty burns

        peroxide burn

        also, fun fact, some cells produce hydrogen peroxide as a waste product, so nature has evolved the catalase enzyme to break it down, and that’s why you see bubbling when using it on a scar but not on skin, because that enzyme is only inside you and your blood

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          I see, so oxygen is leached much faster and causes damage via hyperoxidation. Thank you for the writeup!

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    as little as one hot dog a day

    That is a lot processed meat to be eating if its every single day. Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week? Also hot dog sausages are surely some of the worst sausages for being highly processed. Don’t forget about the strange bread used in hot dogs too. That must have a shitload of stuff added to it or it would be stale and mouldy. Bread shouldn’t still be fresh days later.

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      also celery salt, or juice in those bougie organic hot dogs, in places like whole foods is all nitrates too. nitrate/nitrite salts have distinctive taste and smell. many orgnaic brands might have celery salt. your safe if the ingredients isnt mentioning any salts or celery.

      when your heating up nitrates, it forms things like nitrosamine which have been implicated in lab studies of causing cancer in model organisms.

      smoked and UNCURED meat might still have the same nitrates in them.

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        So what I’m hearing is we just need to return to tradition and start curing our own meats in our backyard smokehouses?

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          Curing (removing moisture from food by means of salt) is a distinct process from smoking (adding smoke to food as well as removing moisture via heat). Curing with nitrite and nitrate based salts (sodium nitrate and sodium nitrite) is what’s been implicated in cancer.

          Smoking meat is much more complicated from a chemistry perspective. Different types of wood, different temperatures, moisture content, salt content, and cooking durations can all affect the concentrations of carcinogenic compounds in the food. For example, softwoods (such as pine) tend to produce a lot of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), a known class of carcinogens, but thankfully softwood is undesirable as a smoke wood anyway so is rarely used.

          Smoking technique can also dramatically affect the result. Poor smoking technique allows the wood to smoulder at a lower temperature, producing a harsher smoke with more carcinogenic, toxic, and bitter compounds. Expert smoking technique uses a smaller, hotter fire which produces a much cleaner smoke that also results in better flavour.

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    Seems particularly bad for the average USA fast food diet. People in the USA love soda, fried food and processed meat.

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    But I only buy boars head so it obviously safe.

    /s, although I did reluctantly buy some teriyaki chicken boars head that sounded amazing.

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    I feel like the word Safe is being stretched really far here.
    Like at this level, getting out of bed isn’t Safe.
    Walking through a park isn’t Safe.

    And that level of Unsafeness, is functionally meaningless.

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    The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any.

    Now do the data for Iberian ham. Isn’t there a confounding factor of income? Or health-conciousness at least

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    “If we are indeed in the glitchiest of timelines, remember we have collective will. Collective authorship. We are not beholden to the nightmares of those men of old who envisioned the world in extraction and pain.”  -  Zoe Todd