Elon Musk "secretly" disrupted a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet by turning off Starlink's satellite network near the Crimean coast last year.
Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.
Prosecute him, of course! Maybe hit him with sanctions for directly supporting the Russian war effort? Because that’s what stopping an attack on their fleet is.
Krolden is asking specifically what crime he should be charged with, implying you would struggle to find one. This certainly isn’t treason against the US because the US is not legally involved in the war. It’s unclear from their post whether they support Ukraine or Russia in the conflict so I’d suggest taking it at face value.
They already said, sabotage. I’m not going to pretend I know the law but sabotaging a military to which we are actively providing aid is likely frowned upon. Prosecution may not be a possibility though, but I imagine this is giving regulators ammo for later.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can’t get the extradition there’s nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn’t stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
Second, not sure where you got the “sabotage the US” part from
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying “It can’t be a criminal offence because Musk isn’t Ukranian” which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I’d be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
Hang on… That’s sabotage. Straight up. That’s a criminal offence no?
Yes. Assisting putler’s genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.
Yep, but he’s rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.
Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.
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Prosecute him, of course! Maybe hit him with sanctions for directly supporting the Russian war effort? Because that’s what stopping an attack on their fleet is.
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Are you dense?
Krolden is asking specifically what crime he should be charged with, implying you would struggle to find one. This certainly isn’t treason against the US because the US is not legally involved in the war. It’s unclear from their post whether they support Ukraine or Russia in the conflict so I’d suggest taking it at face value.
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They already said, sabotage. I’m not going to pretend I know the law but sabotaging a military to which we are actively providing aid is likely frowned upon. Prosecution may not be a possibility though, but I imagine this is giving regulators ammo for later.
Check his party affiliation
For what countries laws? He’s not a Ukrainian citizen
So if you’re not an American you’re free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it’s not a crime?
Two points.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Second, not sure where you got the “sabotage the US” part from:
Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can’t get the extradition there’s nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn’t stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying “It can’t be a criminal offence because Musk isn’t Ukranian” which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I’d be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
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Yeah but it’s not called treason, treason is to your own country, ofc this is still an illegal offense in Ukraine but I don’t think it’s treason?
The parent comments are talking about sabotage. You added the word treason.
I think he replied to the wrong comment.
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