Prominent “free-speech absolutist” threatens to sue Jewish anti-hate group because it engaged in free speech he didn’t like.

"Elon Musk has threatened to sue the Anti-Defamation League after accusing the civil rights group that campaigns against antisemitism and bigotry of trying to “kill” his X social media platform.

“The owner of X, formerly known as Twitter, said the ADL was trying to shut down his company by ‘falsely accusing it and me of being antisemitic’.”

If your list of enemies includes the ADL, then there’s a more-than-reasonable chance that you’re an anti-semite.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/05/elon-musk-sue-adl-x-twitter

@technology #twitter #musk #ElonMusk

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  • The Cuuuuube
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    9 months ago

    So lemme get this straight. Elon Musk is accusing the Anti Defamation League of Defamation, not because their accusation that hate speech has a platform on twitter is false, since be knows exactly who let the hate speakers onto the platform as the “free speech absolutist”, but because they pointed it out?

    And then he jumps to “they’re calling me an antisemite” which feels like hanging yourself by your own rope by jumping to conclusions.

    Yeah dude. Gotta tell ya. If the ADL, ACLU, or Southern Poverty Law Firm say you suck, I’m going to side with them

    Edit: spelling mistakes

    • @Landrin201@lemmy.ml
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      519 months ago

      The thing is this shit works for right wingers. They genuinely believe that the ADL calling someone an antisemite, or even suggesting they might be, is the same as the government kicking your door down and murdering you because you used “free speech”

      • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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        9 months ago

        If there’s one characteristic I’ve found to be widespread among right wingers, it’s black-and-white thinking. They don’t do “sometimes” or “partially” or “60%”. They just do “is” and “is not”. Vaccines either work or they don’t. Immigration is either bad or it’s good. Climate change is either 100% there today or it’s not happening, and if not every climate phenomenon is humans’ doing then none of it is humanity’s fault. Either every government regulation and law is good or government is simply bad. Either everyone gets guns or no one does. They apply this same black-and-white thinking to free speech.

        • @teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
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          89 months ago

          “Only a sith deals in absolutes.”

          Obi Wan’s not a bad guy, but it’s important to note the irony of such a statement.

        • X3I
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          59 months ago

          While I see where you are coming from, I don’t think this is a pattern of thinking that applies only (or primarily) to right wingers but rather to political radicals of all sorts. We see similar bullshit coming from the far left with “all straight white males are oppressors” and similar statements. Might also be a result of social media echo chambers, who knows…

          • @Ganbat@lemmyonline.com
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            69 months ago

            It definitely happens with extremists on both sides, but I think it’s much more common on the right. Like, I encounter it on streets all the time from the right. I recently had a “climate change doesn’t exist because a day was cool last week” conversation with someone on the fourth-straight record high day in a row.

            • @HerrLewakaas@feddit.de
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              69 months ago

              Might also be because there are more radical right wingers than left wingers where you live

      • phillaholic
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        209 months ago

        It’s long past the time to stop caring what they think. They’ll make themselves the victim no matter what, there’s no reasoning with them.

    • Baggins
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      89 months ago

      You didn’t find all the spelling mistakes…

      • The Cuuuuube
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        99 months ago

        The curse of exclusively using mobile. The message still gets through

        • Baggins
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          29 months ago

          That was rather petty of me. Need to get rid of old reddit habits 😒

  • katy ✨
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    9 months ago

    Gee I wonder where they would have gotten the idea that the owner of the company that allowed a promoted post featuring the 14 words to be run on their platform would be anti semitic?

    • @curiosityLynx@beehaw.org
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      I quoted your comment to ChatGPT 3.5 and asked what you were referring to with “the 14 words”. I’ve never seen it take so long to answer, and when it finally did, it was like watching someone else write in a shared Google doc, including watching words getting replaced. Maybe my question triggered a reply by an actual human?

      • NaN
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        179 months ago

        That’s why us old folks just use the regular internet. Wikipedia has no shame.

        • @curiosityLynx@beehaw.org
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          In this regard, I’m probably part of the old folks. I’m older than the WWW at least. I just figured I’d try asking ChatGPT with context instead of Google because I didn’t want something I suspected to be Nazi terminology in my search history.

          I was just surprised by how differently it reacted compared to when I tested it with alt history scenario requests a few months ago.

      • Dr Cog
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        129 months ago

        For the love of… stop using generative AI to give you answers to questions! If it doesn’t have an answer it just makes it up completely.

        It took long because you’re on the free tier and you were rate limited. The idea that a human is writing your answer is so laughably absurd I genuinely don’t know if you’re serious.

        • @abhibeckert@beehaw.org
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          19 months ago

          Chat GPT does know the answer to this particular question, and provides a very good answer. Why stop using something that works so well?

          • Dr Cog
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            I assume you looked up if it was correct to be able to say that does know the answer. In that case, why did you bother with ChatGPT?

            Never take anything generative AI produces as factual unless you check it. It is not designed to produce factual information and is very often wrong and confidently incorrect.

      • @abhibeckert@beehaw.org
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        Nah - sometimes you just get a server that’s overloaded and slow. Hit stop, then regenerate, it’ll be fast.

      • katy ✨
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        Oh it was like this month

        • @acastcandream@beehaw.org
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          Ohhh was this when a bunch of advertisers pulled out because they saw right wing/Nazi ads? I didn’t look at the specific ads. 

  • @MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com
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    9 months ago

    that is a basic rule of white supremacy.

    if non-white people do it then the whites get to do it.

    but just because the whites get to do something doesn’t mean non-white people get to do it.

      • @OfficialThunderbolt@beehaw.org
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        Actually, the Constitution requires that POTUS candidates must be natural-born citizens, which doesn’t necessarily mean they have to have been born in the US:

        No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

        The 14th Amendment does say all people born in the US are automatically citizens, but you can also be a natural-born citizen if you were born abroad but at least one of your parents is/was a citizen at the time of your birth. That’s how, for instance, Ted Cruz was able to run for POTUS in 2016 even though he was born in Canada.

        • @agent_flounder@lemmy.one
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          69 months ago

          Yes thanks, my bad. I knew this but it was early. Appreciate the detailed clarification!

        • PostmodernPythia
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          29 months ago

          Yes, but none of that applies to a South African born in South Africa to South African parents.

  • @TJmCAwesome@feddit.nu
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    109 months ago

    Oh man, he even points out that it’s ironic, but doesn’t quite understand why. I’d argue it isn’t ironic, since one should expect him to be a gigantic hypocrite.

  • Can-Utility
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    109 months ago

    If your list of enemies includes the ADL, then there’s a more-than-reasonable chance that you’re an anti-semite.

    Likewise if your loudest defenders are, themselves, loud and proud anti-semites.

  • wagoner
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    29 months ago

    Ok, so is musk a natural born citizen of the US?