Everyone loves to talk about Norwegian welfare as the pinnacle of social policy while conveniently forgetting that it’s a tiny country of 5.5 million people backed by a trillion dollars of oil money from the state.
And as we all know, the US doesn’t have any oil itself!
No, but, the oil fund isn’t really used. For reference, the first withdrawal in history was in 2016. The prison system is far older than that
It’s also comparably equal.
If US wealth was equally distributed, every person would own about 450.000$
But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?
Sure, but only because it’s summer. This time the winter they have to be carrying a flashlight wearing their winter parka.
Still, I thirst greatly for their political system, ecological ideals, in general treatment of humanity.
they have to be carrying a flashlight wearing their winter parka
It’s definitely not all wine and roses. I’ve heard their rations have been slashed to a single blowjob and massage per day. Really lackadaisical ones, too.
I had two coworkers that expatriated up that way. One loves to death one said fuck this and went to New Zealand.
Personal experiences are personal ;)
What’s going on in Norway? I’m out of the loop.
The Norwegian prison system emphasizes rehabilitation over punishment. Norwegian prisons are generally decent places. Turns out that treating prisoners like human beings makes them much less likely to reoffend and go back to prison.
But if they don’t go back to prison, how are private for-profit prison owners supposed to keep collecting easy, lucrative checks from the government?
I would benefit from some rehab
Mainly because Norwegians are pretty tall
A gilded cage is still a cage. I’d rather work and pay rent and live in a modest apartment than be imprisoned in a luxury hotel that I’m not allowed to leave. Prisoners in Halden prison don’t get to set their own schedule, don’t get to quit being a prisoner and move across the country, don’t get to code with whom they live and associate.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave. Or even just a bus ticket across the country to live somewhere else.
Or how about taking your girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date to a nice restaurant? Or rent a cabin in the woods for a weekend and just relax? Or go out to the bar for a few beers with a friend? Or volunteer to spend time with some elderly folks at a nursing home!
Being in prison sucks, no matter how much they dress it up. The vast majority of things you might do are closed off to you just because you can’t leave. Every single one of those prisoners knows they’re being punished. Every single one of them counts the days until their release.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave.
If you make minimum wage in the city I live in you either live with your parents, have multiple roomates, or live on the street.
Right, but you don’t have to live in that city. You have the choice to move somewhere else! Prisoners don’t have that choice.
I don’t because I make well above minimum wage but you’re making uprooting your life and moving sound easier than it. It costs thousands of dollars to move to a new city, even more if you don’t have friends or family to stay with until you get established. Good luck setting that much aside when you’re barely surviving.
I’m not saying it’s easy! I’m saying it’s possible.
Having family and family obligations is still your choice. Many people walk away from all that because it’s unbearable to them. A prisoner doesn’t have that option: they’re stuck with whoever their cellmates are, no matter what.
you sound like you have never lived in true poverty
Is that the poverty only experienced by a true Scotsman?
I’ve never had to live on the street, if that’s what you’re asking. I was raised by a single father. We had as many as 4 roommates at various times, including alcoholics and drug addicts. I’ve had to call the police on some of them. I’ve had to stay at my grandparents’ while my dad drove across the country as a salesman just to pay the bills.
I dropped out of high school at age 16 and only managed to go back and finish in my 30s. I got into university and graduated with a degree, thanks to generous government loans and grants. Now I got my first job post-graduation working in a mail room at age 41.
Was my life easy? No. But I wasn’t living in a slum in central Africa drinking contaminated water and suffering from Guinea worm disease. I think anyone in North America who grew up in a working class home is a long, long way from that kind of poverty.
False ; Norwegians don’t look at Americans.
The Americans are going to walk up on the street and randomly engage them in conversation
Sure they do.
Like the rest of the world:
Norwegians when americans just come up and say “How are you?” and they don’t really want to know in detail how we are but just want to be polite:
Not the Northern most Americans. They already understand how impactful a small hand wave is.
A hand wave? I’ve been a New Englander all my life. You get a quick glance and half grimace smile if you’re lucky. And that’s pretty much only if we accidentally make eye contact
Fair enough.
So I’m functionally invisible if I go there? Tempting
So you either successfully do crimes because you’re invisible, or you successfully get put in a Norwegian prison. I’m gonna go check plane ticket prices.
I was about to make a joke about flying over to Norway and causing issues, but I don’t want to be a jerk.
Could someone in Norway frame me and have me extradited, please?
Unfortunately you’re not the first person to have that thought. And from what little bit of research I did into it it seems that they would much rather just spend the money to buy you a plane ticket and send you home.
Makes sense. I wouldn’t want me around either.
hmm, I wonder why that other country doesn’t do that…
Based on a quick search you could go for one of the stricter non-felony crimes and try to get a short stay. But I’m guessing you would have more sucess asking for asylum based on the border issues in the US these days.
Although there were references to a court statement from a few decades ago, about a not extraditing someone to a US prison because it might be a human rights violation. Which could potentially be brought up again these days with the current situation.
The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven’t gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.
…you would want to ban an opposing political opinions? Really? You know that cunts like Viktor Orban and Donald Trump only ever can get elected via the absolute and complete failure of the opposition?
Where did I write that I want a compromise? I want jackasses to be able to go out and embarrass themselves
Except that people look at that embarrassment and say “he’s just like me!” and then vote for them
A good example is to see what Varg Vikernes were doing while in prison:
Burzum remained as a solo project until 1994, when Vikernes was arrested for the murder of Euronymous and the burnings of several churches in Norway. […] While imprisoned, Vikernes managed to record two other albums in a dark ambient style. They were released as Dauði Baldrs (1997) and Hliðskjálf (1999). Both of these albums were created with a synthesizer, as Vikernes was prohibited from using any other instruments in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzum#Imprisonment_(1993–2009)
The mass murdering child killer Breivik sued the government because he was only offered a Playstation 2, not the Playstation 3. And did not enjoy the pets he was allowed. 🤷
That’s the guy who shot up the teen summer camp island? They let him have a PS2?
I mean, I doubt all prisoners are locked in these prisons. I think these prisons like Halden are rewards to which the best behaving prispners get transported to. Still, the criminal justice system in these countries is awesome.
It’s not so much a reward. It’s just the natural outcome when your intent is to stop crime, and not to be cruel with punishments. In most countries it is still culturally taboo, but treating people well is the first step to stopping them from committing crimes. Mental health attention is only possible when you work with person who is being treated with basic human dignity. Antisocial personalities of course are an exception who commit crimes and trespass social norms out of different reasons than common criminal but they aren’t actually that frequent or common. Crime is a complex multifactor issue. More often than not it is a mix of unmet needs, opportunity and the belief that they can get away with it. If you fulfill the needs of the person in a socially acceptable and healthy way then reduce the open opportunities for crime, you can stop crime before it happens. Punishment and its harshness, on the other hand, have absolutely no impact on crime rates.
No, Bastøy is is considered the prison reward for the best behaving prisoners.
During their free time, inmates have access to horseback riding, fishing, tennis, and cross-country skiing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastøy_Prison
WTF?
Time to go commit a crime in Norway
Much likely they’ll hand you over to your country…
then your country will send you to elsavador
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