• SuperSleuth@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Should a self-driving car face more rigorous tests than actual human drivers? Honest question.

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        1 year ago

        Yes, because when there’s an accident with a person driving, you usually know exactly who is legally to blame in an accident. With self-driving, if the car accidentally hits and kills someone, who do you charge for it? There’s no one person you can point to for responsibility for if something goes wrong, like you can for a person responsible for an accident.

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      1 year ago

      Human drivers should be facing more rigorous testing regardless. It’s horrifically easy to get a license… and then they never test you again for the rest of your life. That’s just insane when you think about it. My test was in 2002. Feels like I should have to retake it at some point.

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        1 year ago

        And take them away for bad driving. But we don’t because our entire transportation infrastructure, outside of a few cities namely NY, is built around everyone driving a car.

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      1 year ago

      Yes. A human brain can handle edge cases it’s never encountered before. Can a self driving car?

      • Ever stop at a red light only to have a police officer wave you through?

      • Ever encounter a car driving the wrong way down a one way street?

      • Ever come across a flooded out stretch of road? (if the road has no lines and the water is still it can be very deceptive looking)

      These are a tiny number of things I’ve encountered over the past few years. I’m sure plenty of other drivers can provide other good examples. I’d want to know how a self driving car would handle itself in situations like these.

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        1 year ago

        Those are pretty basic conditions that I hope are already in the training data.

        What about a wildfire evacuation? Police might have people driving on the wrong side of the highway to make use of all the lanes. Smoke might be obscuring everything. A human driver would know not to pay attention to any of the road signs in that situation without ever having been trained on it, but would a self-driving car?

        Or, how about any situation where a police officer has to have a driver roll down the window to give them instructions for dealing with some unusual situation, like a chemical spill or a landslide.

        Or, what about highway signs that have been shot by a shotgun so that it’s hard to read? Or, what about novelty highway signs that a business might put up as a joke?

        Self-driving cars definitely need to be tested against a much bigger range of situations than a human driver. Much as we might be baffled by their lack of common sense, the common sense of an average 16-year-old is still off the charts compared to an AI. Having said that, I know how bad many drivers are, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the competent self-driving car organizations (Cruize, Waymo, etc.) are already better than an average driver under 99.9% of common scenarios.

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      Yes because each person must learn on their own and have limited experience relative to the general public as a whole.

      Self driving cars can ‘learn’ from all self driving cars and don’t get tired, forget, or anything like that. While they shouldn’t be held to perfection, they should absolutely be held to a higher standard than a human.

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      1 year ago

      Only Tesla self driving cars need to have more rigorous tests. Other brands are fine as it is because they have lidar.

      • IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        LiDAR isn’t some sort of magic eye. The self driving system is only as good as the software that takes the inputs from cameras, LiDAR, etc., processes them, and ensures safe operation of the car.

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          1 year ago

          Finally someone who actually uses critical thinking instead of being an anti-Elon bandwagoner.

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        1 year ago

        I feel like all them do, have you seen wayze nearly getting black people killed cause it didn’t stop for s cop. And it can’t recognize construction zones.

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        Five LiDAR sensors hasn’t stopped Cruise from running into a bus, multiple cars, and a fire truck. Maybe self-driving is a myth?

        Maybe we should just build buses and trains and pay people good salaries to operate them??