I’m scared to think about the ammo costs
A revolution? In this economy?
I am heavy weapons guy
TFC or TF2 heavy weapons guy?
Naw I need an A10 Warthog
Tbh ppl should have guns but not to give to kids, shoot joe across the street who did nothing to you, or shoot wildlife
or shoot wildlife
Unless they are subsistence hunting or protecting domesticated animals.
Some of us would like a Hawk MM-1, please.
“You only attack liberals, what about the other side?!?!”
I haven’t heard this (strawman quote?) myself, but my answer is I rarely think people further "right" than liberals are worth discussing politics with. Outside of special circumstances, I skip arguing with anti-liberal “conservatives” and neo-nazis and go straight to denying speech (both peacefully, and where appropriate, forcefully). They generally have no interest in good faith or truthfulness, those concepts are silly, idealist and weak self-restrictions to them.
“Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience,” - Mark Twain.
Liberals, on the other hand, sometimes value other people, the search for truth and a better society as much as us. So it makes sense to discuss our disagreements so long as each side reciprocates that respect. We can actually learn from each other.
Relevant quote from Jean-Paul Sartre on antisemites (1946):
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
And a point of notice: it’s worth acknowledging that some people share worker-class values but have adopted the language or even talking points of mass-media bigotry. I’ve even seen this in some unions, for example. I don’t automatically consider them a lost cause like I do with nazi scum, even if their ignorance or careless word choice suggests they’re “the other side” - the sides are drawn by the class war, not a culture war.
I see people calling “tankies” right wingers for this reason all the time on linked to me threads on shit like “meanwhileongrad” threads. The thought is since leftists attack democrats and liberals but never trump and conservatives, we are in support of trump and conservatives and are the actual right wingers. It is part of the horseshoe nonsense. The real reason I don’t waste my time making fun of republicans and reposting anti-trump memes is that everyone in my target audience is already against them and its just a circlejerk at this point. Trump and conservatives don’t deserve to be given validity at all but the liberals are caught up on the if you’re not actively against something you support it.
“It costs $400,000 to fire this weapon…for twelve seconds.”
It would be $616,946.77 in today’s money.
The game is set in 1968, in an alternate history. Which means it can be any amount in today’s money.
One is a job and the other’s a mental sickness!
BONK!
Liberals can be influenced by words and memes, fascists need something stronger.
I wouldn’t confuse tolerance and ability to reason with weakness. Picking up an AR15 is just a last resort when, literally, all else fails, not a first resort.
Picking up an AR15 is just a last resort when, literally, all else fails
On the other hand, how late is too late? The later you leave it, the more innocent people might be imprisoned, exiled or killed, so I’d say we’re obliged to draw a balance somewhere sooner than literally all else.
Let’s consider the rise of the NSDAP (Nazi Party) in Germany - when is the point where that level of physical violence became appropriate? Try picking a specific year or event. Try doing the same with other fascist regimes, like Italy’s fascist party.
Using this knowledge, where is the red line with the current US regime? Innocent people are already being repressed, imprisoned and exiled.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I kept quiet; I wasn’t a communist.
When they came for the trade unionists, I kept quiet;
I wasn’t a trade unionist.
When they locked up the Social Democrats, I kept quiet;
I wasn’t a social democrat.
When they locked up the Jews, I kept quiet;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.
- Translation of Lutherian Pastor Martin Niemöller’s famous poem.
The same principle applies for physical resistance. Divide and conquer is an effective strategy and already in the fascist playbook.
If the imprisonment of innocent people becomes anything other than rare, or if innocent people are being exiled or killed, then that implies logical analysis is not being followed or even considered but, instead, replaced with an immature and short-sighted subjective reality, meaning all else has already failed.
“when you go far enough left, you get your guns back”
I’m in this comment and I like it
Under no pretext.
Based
Agree. Shame there is only like 12 civilian transferrable examples that rarely come up for auction and the last one sold for $600k a few years back.
Opening the registry might bring them down to the “Mini gun or V10 Lambo” range.
