The comment in question:
“To everyone arriving here from /all, remember that this is a .ml community when you attempt to engage in good faith.”
Edit: Sorry for the double post - I just got back after being gone all day and didn’t realize someone else had made a post about my comment! There’s a bit of discussion here so I was going to leave it, but if the mods would rather delete it, feel free!
Getting banned from .ml is something of a badge of honor around here. Wear it with pride.
Gotta shield themselves from transparency as much as possible!
Well you walked in their home and implied they aren’t acting in good faith. And you got kicked out for it.
Best to just block .ml completely, they offer nothing of value anyways.
It doesn’t seem like a good comparison here, your home is a place to feel safe, and also a place that is private. If someone forced their way into your home they would be deeply violating your safety and privacy.
A public instance like lemmy.ml is very different from that, and to compare the two is almost a bad faith comparison since you’re implying that the Lemmy devs would be unsafe if someone came into Lemmy.ml uninvited or invalidated their opinions.
Lemmy.ml’s mods and admins aren’t endangered by opinions they dislike and people unwlling to respect them are not and will not be equivalent to someone violating the sanctity of their home.
Instances aren’t precisely a house but they aren’t fundamentally public spaces either.
They’re privately owned and operated and while they provide public interface we’re all operating in a networked system of walled gardens providing a service.
You can allege the admins and devs are being hypocrites all day with every action found in the modlog, but there is still a limit to what people will tolerate when they’re providing a service.
Maybe there’s some misunderstanding here. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense to compare it to a house because of the exposed public nature of it, not based on public or private ownership of it. The house argument applies to a private space where one has sanctity, security, and privacy. It would be laughable to argue it for an open field even if you do own the plot.
Lemmy servers are more like those empty field plots than a house you’d expect safety and privacy from, see where I’m getting at here? If not that’s okay. I’m used to not being understood by people, either unintentionally or intentionally.
I get what you mean. Although I know firsthand that in America open fields are guarded heavily, often violently. (Former government health department inspector.) Even approaching the fenceline without explicit permission is unwise for how sour a response it can create. I am beyond metaphor though with this.
That is true, many people can get violent even over something that isn’t their house. I think another important factor is also how other people empathize with the “victim” as well. If someone was the victim of home invasion people would feel more empathy towards them compared to someone who chased down a person who walked on their empty plot.
No one is challenging their ownership of either properties, but the situations are wildly different.
It’s a perfect comparison.
There’s a lot of cope in your message that doesn’t make sense, so I’ll not entertain your accusation and purely opinion-based hypothetical “facts”.
Lemmy instances are private instances. The owner and whoever they put in charge have - in almost every country in the world - the right to kick you off it for no reason.
You are comparing, by using the house example someone disagreeing with you on a public forum that you happen to own with someone making one feel unsafe in their own home, they are very different circumstances but I am separating it for one reason.
If I barged into your home and yelled at you I would be violating your safety and sanctity of your home.
If I came onto your server, you didn’t like me and banned me then I came back uninvited I would not be threatening your safety or sanctity of your home, such an argument would be a bad faith comparison. Do you see the difference? A home is a personal private space to feel safe. A lemmy instance is a public place that faces the whole wide world, one cannot argue that they have safety and sanctity in such a place while making it publicly facing like this. Which is why I say it is a bad comparison. Made in bad faith if the purpose is to demonize or scrutinize the person who “violated” that person’s server.
Buddy. If you come into my home with that attitude, I’d would kick you out in an instant. You don’t own another instance, you just don’t, even if it’s public.
Not saying that at all, but good job showing your lack of reading comprehension, or you desire to misrepresent my arguments :)
You’re just a troll kiddo. Get back to the grad.
here i am, just recently joining lemmy and wanting to talk about dota and the ml variant has the most people joined and still only talk to the one guy.
Welcome. 🎉
suffering
You posted a troll comment and it was removed for trolling. Congratulations, you created an example of mod actions on .ml that were completely justified for once.
Yeah even if what is being said is 100% factual, it is for once, a justified removal IMO.
.ml stands for Mein-fuhrer
LeninstaLinDM a mod and explain, unless this isn’t a first offense.
Lol, this is .ml. This was an admin action done to suppress dissent speech against their instance because the admins of .ml use their instance to push Tankie ideology. Not because it was a misunderstanding.
You rarely see an actual .ml mod modding because the admins micromanage it all
You’re on a comm that documents their censorship along with the propaganda and misinformation they spread or allow to spread to further their pro-Russia pro-CCP goals. Among other miscellaneous actions as well.
Funnily enough, I’ve never had problems. Look at the post and look at the comment. I see exactly why it happened, and anyone who doesn’t is refusing to see. If the ban isn’t lifted, the commenter might learn why the comment was entirely inappropriate – because it was. Yes I laughed, but also facepalmed.
Funnily enough, I’ve never had problems.
Lol nobody ever does, until they do, one off-hand comment about how Russia needs to leave Ukraine alone on a meme or something and then you find yourself banned.
Check the other posts around here and you’ll start noticing a pattern
Maybe because I don’t go in and spit on the floor or guests. I’ve been heavily dv’d there and so what? I have on other servers too.
I don’t go in and spit on the floor or guests
It doesn’t matter, they issue out instance bans for speech off their instance just as easily. I was instance-banned myself for doing things like linking evidence off their instance or talking with others about what they do off their instance or posting memes about it off their instance
Dig through my profile, you will not see anything with me “spitting on their floor”. I specifically don’t comment, post or upvote (well before the ban anyways) anywhere on .ml
I don’t need to dig through your comments. I’ve seen them. And I see your behavior elsewhere, too. We’re learning and growing together.
Well some of us are, some aren’t. We get to decide whether we will or won’t.
Removed by mod
Are you new? Each instance and community has its own approach to moderation. I recommend finding those that align with yours.
The instance in question is known for an extremely capricious and heavy handed approach, banning virtually anyone who doesn’t agree with their extreme politics. That’s why I and many people choose not to participate there.
That doesn’t necessarily apply to Lemmy as a whole though.
If you look at this users modlog you’ll see that most of them are justified (not specifically the ml ones).
“Why can’t I make hateful remarks? Lemmy is so censored”
That was rude AF and quite frankly, while I may not have permabanned you (depending on if this was a first offense), I would have probably given a time out. You don’t go to someone’s house and spit on the floor or another guest.
