I’m not here in good faith? Bro you entered this thread with a whataboutism, and everyone here agrees that what you went through is horrible and should never happen, but it appears to some of us as though you’re operating with the intent of conceptually separating domestic abuse and gender from each other, which is unhelpful because it’s usually built in no small part upon gendered dynamics. Jesus fuck
In an ideal world, BLM would have switched to chanting “All lives matter” without skipping a beat: Deny the assclowns their slogan, simultaneously say “yep we’re people, too, part of ‘all’, get used to it”, simultaneously, ally with other groups the US police walks all over, like neurodivergent folks.
In an ideal world black people would be treated with the same respect as everyone else and there wouldn’t be a need for BLM to exist in the first place. The reason for focusing on black people instead of everyone is because they aren’t treated equally. ‘All Lives Matter’ is a slogan to avoid acknowledging that black lives also matter.
Are neurodivergent folks treated equally, with equal consideration? “Existing while not being able to respond to BS demands” is a crime that exists in the US. There’s a bodycount to back that up, covering the whole spectrum of spectrum disorders.
That out of the way: Why give the enemy a slogan and exclude your allies? What possible gain would that bring about?
All Lives Matter’ is a slogan to avoid acknowledging that black lives also matter.
Because it was claimed by fascists. That’s the only reason it has that meaning. Because it was given up, not claimed by woke folks. Words, slogans, don’t have meaning in themselves the meaning only exists in context. “All lives matter” is a fascist slogan because it got chanted by fascists, not because it’s fascist in itself. If fascists shout “chocolate pudding is tasty”, what does that mean? I have no idea but it surely doesn’t bode well for black folks.
You don’t have to fucking explain to me that “All lives matter” got appropriated by fascists. I fucking know. I’m complaining about how BLM let it be appropriated, how the wider platform let victory be snatched away from under their fingertips by semiotic illiteracy that made MLK spin in his grave. Man was way ahead of <currentyear>.
There was a brief moment where “all lives matter” had no clear meaning, where the slogan still was up for grabs, where the fascists were still starting to rally while BLM was already in full swing. If, at that juncture, BLM had had the wherewithal to, as I already said, switch to chanting “all lives matter” without skipping a beat the few fascists already using it would have looked like actually supporting BLM. They would’ve backed off.
Cut off that other crap about men “running the most powerful government in the world”. I guarantee the average man does not “run the world”. I sure as hell don’t. Do you? No? Then stop.
I never fucking said that, liar. We were talking about misogynists and misandrists (this all started with talking about Tate and FDS, remember?) , and I said the former were running the most powerful government in the world.
How about instead of having an attitude problem with me, we both agree that neither men nor women should be abused and both genders have unique issues that, in a healthy society, would be acknowledged and addressed?
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
^ Translation from Snippy to English: “I’m not here to actually engage in healthy debate: Rather, I’m here to pick fights and “win one for my team”. Also, I hereby volunteer to be on TheFudd’s block list, because I am incapable of having a civil discussion.”
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It’s giving “All Lives Matter”
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No, but weaponising that fact to shut down discussions about gender issues is a shit thing to do.
Like yeah, that’s terrible, and you’re choosing to use that to invalidate other people who go through that? Wow.
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I’m not here in good faith? Bro you entered this thread with a whataboutism, and everyone here agrees that what you went through is horrible and should never happen, but it appears to some of us as though you’re operating with the intent of conceptually separating domestic abuse and gender from each other, which is unhelpful because it’s usually built in no small part upon gendered dynamics. Jesus fuck
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That’s the reason I hate that saying so much.
It’s just a true statement. All lives DO matter.
But the hateful sub-text of the saying basically poisons compassionate people against what, in a vacuum, is just a basic moral value I hold dear.
In an ideal world, BLM would have switched to chanting “All lives matter” without skipping a beat: Deny the assclowns their slogan, simultaneously say “yep we’re people, too, part of ‘all’, get used to it”, simultaneously, ally with other groups the US police walks all over, like neurodivergent folks.
In an ideal world black people would be treated with the same respect as everyone else and there wouldn’t be a need for BLM to exist in the first place. The reason for focusing on black people instead of everyone is because they aren’t treated equally. ‘All Lives Matter’ is a slogan to avoid acknowledging that black lives also matter.
Are neurodivergent folks treated equally, with equal consideration? “Existing while not being able to respond to BS demands” is a crime that exists in the US. There’s a bodycount to back that up, covering the whole spectrum of spectrum disorders.
That out of the way: Why give the enemy a slogan and exclude your allies? What possible gain would that bring about?
Because it was claimed by fascists. That’s the only reason it has that meaning. Because it was given up, not claimed by woke folks. Words, slogans, don’t have meaning in themselves the meaning only exists in context. “All lives matter” is a fascist slogan because it got chanted by fascists, not because it’s fascist in itself. If fascists shout “chocolate pudding is tasty”, what does that mean? I have no idea but it surely doesn’t bode well for black folks.
You don’t have to fucking explain to me that “All lives matter” got appropriated by fascists. I fucking know. I’m complaining about how BLM let it be appropriated, how the wider platform let victory be snatched away from under their fingertips by semiotic illiteracy that made MLK spin in his grave. Man was way ahead of <currentyear>.
If you think BLM let it be appropriated then you don’t understand how appropriation works.
There was a brief moment where “all lives matter” had no clear meaning, where the slogan still was up for grabs, where the fascists were still starting to rally while BLM was already in full swing. If, at that juncture, BLM had had the wherewithal to, as I already said, switch to chanting “all lives matter” without skipping a beat the few fascists already using it would have looked like actually supporting BLM. They would’ve backed off.
I never fucking said that, liar. We were talking about misogynists and misandrists (this all started with talking about Tate and FDS, remember?) , and I said the former were running the most powerful government in the world.
“Liar”?
How about instead of having an attitude problem with me, we both agree that neither men nor women should be abused and both genders have unique issues that, in a healthy society, would be acknowledged and addressed?
Or are you just here to argue with someone?
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
^ Translation from Snippy to English: “I’m not here to actually engage in healthy debate: Rather, I’m here to pick fights and “win one for my team”. Also, I hereby volunteer to be on TheFudd’s block list, because I am incapable of having a civil discussion.”
Not cool. Do better.
Was it so hard to address what I actually said?