• lath@lemmy.world
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        19 days ago

        So it’s not just about having different values then.

        “I don’t think I’m better than you, but that you are worse than me.”

          • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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            19 days ago

            But you still indeed think your values are better than theirs. That applies to most people and most values.

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              19 days ago

              Yes. My values (killing is wrong) are better than their values (killing is okay).

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              19 days ago

              You know you can have objectively better values than someone without considering yourself better than them, right?

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                19 days ago

                No, I don’t know that. If I think my values are objectively better than others, in that regard I think I’m better than them. How is that not the case?

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                  19 days ago

                  By understanding that people are more than a list of values, they’re a collection of entirely valid life experiences which both informs and is guided by their values.

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            19 days ago

            Isn’t it hard to do the former without dipping into the latter?

            If you are to protect animals, then something or someone has to be doing them harm. Without judging those as being bad, can’t really come to the decision that your one-sided protection is good.

            Or you don’t think that what you’re doing is good, just different. In which case, there is no good or bad/better or worse. So you don’t blame people for eating meat, you just don’t agree with following that way of life.

            I guess in that situation, the meme applies.

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              It’s difficult to go into this without specifying a persons reason for consuming animals. Religious, cultural, pleasure, conformity, convenience, lack of knowledge etc. It wasn’t most people’s decision, it’s the default. It’s understanding of background that makes judgment wrong.

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          18 days ago

          If you see someone actively going against your values and don’t think they’re shitty people, then you must not feel very strongly about those values 🤷‍♂️

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      19 days ago

      Not when those values say it’s okay to kill innocent beings. Begone, troll.

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    19 days ago

    Vegans aren’t better than you because they’re vegan.

    They’re vegan because they’re better than you.