Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
Lol, you clearly have never done payroll. Payslips need to be generated timesheets entered and payments need to be authorized. Not all staff work full time or work on a fixed schedule, so set and forget a standing bank order is not viable. I would imagine that’s the case for most companies and businesses that employ hourly paid employees. Salried positions are generally in offices but even then they can vary.
You’re still not paying them from a personal account so you’re not doing business. Business accounts are not tied to a person, they’re tied to the company so their example makes no sense.
Also that’s not a correct interpretation of the law anyway, because obviously if the law worked like it would be fucking stupid.
Yep, ive applied for visas in many countries and loved in multiple, long term. You follow the rules or risk being deported. I’ve friends that were deported, and friends that took advantage of amnesties when they were available.
I know there are au pair visas in some countries to allow similar work with few restrictions and payment in kind. However, I think they mainly include child care.
What all those who think she shouldn’t have to follow the vis rules aren’t aware of is that she’s likely undercutting those that followed the rules and also that human trafficking takes advantage of people in arrangements like these and use your visa breach as leverage. Less commonly for people from countries like the UK, but it can happen to anyone.
It’s fine to hate on the oppressive state of America at the moment but those in breach of their visa conditions are not the best martyrs for a cause. The ones unfairly prosecuted for non visa breaches, like ethnicity and sexual orientation are what we need to fight.
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
It’s not work because you’re depriving someone of the job, it’s work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It’s just a non cash benefit.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
Yea, no. This is only considered ‘work’ if you’re a physics teacher.
That’s the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
You absolutely do not need to do anything to pay your staff it’s just a standing order bank transaction.
Lol, you clearly have never done payroll. Payslips need to be generated timesheets entered and payments need to be authorized. Not all staff work full time or work on a fixed schedule, so set and forget a standing bank order is not viable. I would imagine that’s the case for most companies and businesses that employ hourly paid employees. Salried positions are generally in offices but even then they can vary.
You’re still not paying them from a personal account so you’re not doing business. Business accounts are not tied to a person, they’re tied to the company so their example makes no sense.
Also that’s not a correct interpretation of the law anyway, because obviously if the law worked like it would be fucking stupid.
That’s not work? That’s common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
If they are a friend. If you’re doing so as a trade, then it’s not a courtesy, it’s a transaction.
If there is a contract it’s work.
It’s sad to see factual comments like yours getting downvoted, because some just don’t want to hear this truth.
It doesn’t mean you support these kind of things happening, just that you understand the reasons they’re doing this shit…
And @ all the haters, get a life… you can disagree with the current rules, and how they’re enforced, but you can’t deny reality.
Yep, ive applied for visas in many countries and loved in multiple, long term. You follow the rules or risk being deported. I’ve friends that were deported, and friends that took advantage of amnesties when they were available.
I know there are au pair visas in some countries to allow similar work with few restrictions and payment in kind. However, I think they mainly include child care.
What all those who think she shouldn’t have to follow the vis rules aren’t aware of is that she’s likely undercutting those that followed the rules and also that human trafficking takes advantage of people in arrangements like these and use your visa breach as leverage. Less commonly for people from countries like the UK, but it can happen to anyone.
It’s fine to hate on the oppressive state of America at the moment but those in breach of their visa conditions are not the best martyrs for a cause. The ones unfairly prosecuted for non visa breaches, like ethnicity and sexual orientation are what we need to fight.
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She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
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