San Francisco’s police union says a city bakery chain has a “bigoted” policy of not serving uniformed cops.
The San Francisco Police Officers Assn. wrote in a social media post last week that Reem’s California “will not serve anyone armed and in uniform” and that includes “members of the U.S. Military.” The union is demanding that the chain “own” its policy.
Reem’s says, however, its policy isn’t against serving armed police officers. It’s against allowing guns inside its businesses.
Last time I checked “Police Officer” wasn’t a protected class you little snowflakes.
veteran status is though in a lot of cases so I would not be surprised if there was movement to take it in that direction
Veterans can’t bring guns wherever they want either. There’s signs on every hospital in Ohio.
I wouldn’t be surprised if groups are already trying to spin stuff like that as anti veteran discrimination, although this article says “armed and in uniform” implying by that language they would serve an unarmed cop in uniform, so I guess they just have to ask everyone in uniform if they have a gun or install a metal detector if they actually want to enforce it
Or they could just guess and refuse to serve someone in a non-protected class as is their legal right.
yeah but if they want to do that they have to say “no cops” not “no cops who are currently carrying guns”
Why? They can refuse service to either. That’s 100% legal.
I’m sure the cops can find a way to sue them if they don’t have it explicitly written down or will show up just to intimidate them at anything lesser than being asked not to be there, but we’ll see
Nothing about being a veteran requires you to carry a gun around, or even be pro-gun-ownership
That some veterans are dumb is just a result of the military not valuing intelligence in privates, and being willing to recruit anyone who can run and do pushups and pullups.
Put down the pipe, son.
They’re not banning veterans though, right? Just guns. Unless veterans are literally guns, but I know plenty of vets that don’t want open carry or unrestricted guns, so I’d say vets aren’t actually guns, and therefore aren’t restricted by this business’s policy.
I’d be surprised if Peter hasn’t used his fingers to count.
I do arithmetic on my fingers. :(
I can count to 10 normally. 20 if I take my shoes off. 22 if I pull my pants down.
Shouldn’t that be 23/24 if you pull your pants down?
24??? Dude how many dicks do you have
Actually, it is three balls
Like that chick on that movie about the three titties.
50% more balls is 100% more awesome
Why wouldn’t you count the balls while you were at it? I mean, they’re right there and you’re counting.
That’s still only 23.
Can’t do math without digits.
It could be worse. This shop could react like police officers when someone enters a police station with a weapon.
So fucking what? Police aren’t a protected class.
They’re certainly not a protecTIVE class either.
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They’re like Anders, the guy who pretends to be a paladin of Tyr, the god of justice, but is actually the willing servant of an arch-devil
To be fair, SCOTUS says they don’t have to protect anyone.
To be even more fair though, not having to “serve and protect” like they lie about on their cars is not the same thing as not being ALLOWED TO.
They COULD choose to be decent humans who try to use their position of power to help people because it’s the right thing to do rather than an obligation, but of course, that’s not how a cop brain works.
Also, to be slightly less fair but no less truthful, the current scotus makes a mockery of the very concept of justice and most of them should be recalled and prosecuted for gross corruption.
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Except it’s a job not an innate, unchangeable characteristic… I honestly can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
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So are pedophiles, what’s your point?
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My job that I chose is a minority of the population too, where is my special treatment?
We’re all a protected class. Yay!!
Scanner monkey?
That’s not how it works. They’re not an oppressed minority, they’re the oppressive tool of the political and economic elite.
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I’m actually not American and you didn’t make it at all obvious to a bunch of complete strangers that you were being sarcastic rather than an idiot 🤷
Those type of people would rather blame it on others than themselves at all times
Yup. I have a younger brother who’s like that. Gets pretty damn exhausting tbh…
Got an older one like that. But it reflects on his personality as a whole. He’s always a victim and yeah… I could go on but I agree. It’s exhausting
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Being gay and being a cop are not at all the same. One is a sexual orientation and one is a job. Cops chose their job.
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The point they made enhances yours. Yes it is hypocritical, but is arguably worse on the conservatives’ part since sexual orientation is something you’re born with.
They don’t believe you’re born with it.
Thanks for explaining - yes I misunderstood and thought you were saying that those who were mad a bakery refused to serve gay people shouldn’t try to ban anyone else from their own stores. Sorry about that and thanks for explaining!
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Fowl: bird. Foul: bad.
Though I’ll assume auto correct.
Peace!
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That just makes the hypocrisy even worse!
Joke incoming: gay community already accepted cops as their kind.
Or is it? Or did they?
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Good, normalize rejecting cops.
Bring on the down votes but my opinion is this will only make things worse. I think people should judge the police on a officer to officer basis. I work in public service and the majority of cops are really decent people who are trying to help. There are always bad seeds. Even if a cop is on a power trip if you ask them they will help you.
In my opinion the biggest problem w the police isn’t the officers it’s the training and culture. They have their hands tied w ridiculous use of force policies and almost no training. But bring on the hate and call me a fascist.
Edit: biblical service to public service. Jesus has no place in these streets.
You know every time I’ve had something stolen and filed a police report I have not even once had my stolen shit returned. They don’t even call back after weeks to say “hey we didn’t care enough to follow any leads, good luck”.
And yet they take every fucking chance they can to write my as many moving violations as possible, whether or not they apply.
The police don’t serve the people, never have.
That’s on the system not the individual officer.
Fuck the officer for going along with it. They can quit and find a different job that doesn’t make them out to be a piece of shit like the rest of us. Nobody forces them to become a cop, but by choosing to become one, they’ve branded themselves as part of that fucked up system. That’s on them. ACAB
Cool let’s not have cops
Considering studies show dollar-for-dollar we can effectively do what good police do by putting their budget money in other services (mental health, welfare, etc), I’m ok with having a LOT fewer cops with a lot more limited mandate.
So this way not only will petty crimes not get solved but the bigger crimes will also go unsolved.
Even if a cop is on a power trip if you ask them they will help you.
I was with you until about here. I’ve seen cops shoo away people in need rather than even deign to give directions. I would say the majority I’ve seen have been very unhelpful and the encounters that have been nice or cordial have been the extreme minority. It’s like their default is power trip mode.
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Correct.
Yea I was too broad there when I said that However in my own experience I have seen even SOME -asshole cops be helpful.
I think that part of the problem with your response, not just biblical vs public service, is that it is a bias based on your own experience.
Like the rest of us, the police are overworked, and it is reasonable to expect that they feel pressure to act and do, not to take time to reason and consider. For an office worker, they might get angry and have a short fuse. For an officer, that might have dire consequences.
What purpose do the police serve? In my youth, they helped get baby kittens down from trees. The officer with the glowing smile would hand the kitten to the little girl who needed help. The highly legible and large typeface said “Cop gave cat.” Factual and warming.
This isn’t the interaction I usually have and it isn’t the interaction I’ve heard others have. Was Timmy and Suzy’s Big Day wrong? Consider the difference between The Andy Griffith Show and Dragnet. It’s a big difference when you know the people you are there to “Protect and Serve,” but reality is considerably different for most.
On the other side of things, you have folks that have been underprivileged from the crib. Social pressures indirectly, if not sometimes directly, perpetuate their plight. It instills anger and a general distrust.
Now mix those groups together.
Grouped by association is going to be the outcome unless people recognize their biases and actively try to work outside that. It means recognizing how your experience might not be shared amongst others. That’s all anyone is asking.
Yea man I typoed biblical it was supposed to be just public service I don’t believe in god or the Bible.
I work in biblical service and the majority of cops are really decent people who are trying to help.
Your inability to see your selection bias and account for it (while claiming to do just that) is beyond staggering.
Like… you’re saying the words, but then your overall takeaway proves that despite what you’re saying, you have no concept of reality beyond your own lived experience and world view.
I’m not in the ACAB/Defund camp either by any means, but you should either learn to truly acknowledge your bias (and not just pay it lip service), or just fucking own it and stop pretending to have a nuanced and enlightened opinion.
Like…don’t try to make yourself sound like you’re speaking from any sort of well reasoned position that accounts for the limitations of personal experience and acknowledges the experience of others. Just say, “Hey, the vast majority of cops I’ve interacted with, I’ve had no problem with. Therefore I think most cops everywhere are decent people and the tiny fraction that aren’t are just an unfortunate and unavoidable, but ultimately acceptable exception that is worth it in exchange for the services police forces as a whole provide for society.”
Because that’s literally what you’re saying.
You’re a white guy working and interacting with these cops in a religiously charged setting that already puts you in familiar and friendly territory with them in terms of ideology, race, and gender. These are three huge factors that are all coloring the interaction, and given the closely intertwined threads of American right wing politics with police, religion, race, and gender, every single interaction you’ve had with them benefits from being on their side in all the major categories that matter. With that frame of reference, you cannot possibly (at least while maintaining intellectual honesty) use your own personal experience as being at all broadly representative of that of the average person in the general public.
It’s like showing up to game day in the home team’s city wearing the home team’s colors and singing the home team’s fight song…and then the next day when you see a story about how many of those fans you met were harassing and assaulting fans of the other team, your response is, “Well I interacted with dozens of those fans and they were all really nice to me. Since I have real experience with them, that proves that they’re nice people who would never do those bad things. Must have just been 1% of bad apples. But overall, there’s no problem with bad fans since they were all nice to me.”
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Damn you sure are painting with a broad brush. I have been replying to a lot of comments so if you read this reply in another comment sorry. I agree that the police need reform and I agree that it attracts a lot of the wrong type of people. I think their training is lacking in use of force and de escalation tactics. I think they should have more than 2 hrs a year of grappling training and a lot of departments are moving in the right direction.
I am sorry you have only had dealings with asshole cops because I know a lot of really good ones. Have a great day.
Everyone knows a “good” cop. And every one of those good cops has covered up for a bad cop. Which, by default, means there are no “good” cops.
And then the corollary; Every so often, there’s a good cop that has stood up to their bad cop neighbors, calling them out publicly for evidence tampering and racial profiling. And then the union kicks them out - making them a good person, but no longer a good cop.
They do their own filtering. Hence ACAB.
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I agree with you there too the cops need another layer especially for behavioral or psychological calls. But that’s a training and budget issue. Also I have been to so many crisis intervention calls as a paramedic and was thankful the cops were there because they patted down the pt and they had either a gun or a knife on them. Every municipality is complaining about their budget so I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for trained social workers thst want to respond to the shelter or nursing home at 4 am for the psych.
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How many of the “good cops” turn in the bad cops? Oh none you say… Well you might want to do a recount of good cops then.
Y’all remember when NYPD in its entirety said that old man fell during those protests a few years back?
Then videos got released.
Judging cops on a department by department basis saves paper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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So you’re saying the system is broken? Well, that sounds like something we can agree on then. The police force is broken, needs to be torn down back to its foundations and rebuilt. Every time something happens with police you always get the same response “It’s just a few bad apples”, conveniently leaving out the rest of that phrase “that ruin the bunch”. Well, those bad apples have been left too long, and it ruined all of them. There are only two kinds of cops, the bad apples, and the ruined apples, both need to be thrown out. We need to abolish the current police and replace them with a uncorrupted version, the rot has set in too far in the existing police force, there’s no salvaging it.
When did I say none?
I work in biblical service
Oh. Ok. Anyway, moving on.
It’s a typo I meant to write public service but I have been responding so much I can’t even find the comment to edit it.
Well, that’s easily one of the most unfortunate typos you could have made here lmao
Lol no shit RIP my comment karma too, feels like Reddit.
In my opinion the biggest problem w the police isn’t the officers it’s the training and culture.
That’s sorta the point that people generally have issues with cops dude. It’s the overall culture of shielding of each other from consequences, stoking a “everyone is your enemy”/warrior mentality among officers, bad or lack of training leading to unneeded violent escalation etc.
It’s been police departments dragging their heels and throwing tantrums on addressing these issues that have what caused people’s dislike of them to grow.
I’ll throw my support behind cops who are standing up to the bullshit.
But they are usually fired (or worse), which means the people I’m supporting… aren’t cops anymore
Yea I have been saying that the entire time and getting downvoted to hell. My opinion is one of the big problems are cops don’t think of themselves as part of the community so by kicking them out of restaurants will only make them feel like less of a part of the community. I am done responding to these comments everyone seems to be a expert lawyer and city planner that has extensive experience dealing w the public.
I would say they don’t feel part of the community because they are the enforcement behind alienation under capitalism. If everyone has housing, security, fair trials, etc then people wouldn’t perceive them as part of an alienating force.
It’s fine to have a different opinion and you shouldn’t be downvoted. If you’ve had that experience of them it’s perfectly valid. There’s just a lot of cops who are secret white supremacists who get outed routinely and that’s genuinely scary. Cops should get a lot more education than they do in the US.
I 100% agree I have met and delt with so many really shitty cops in my own time. Then factor in the 1% that are real monsters and I understand the way people feel. I train Jiu Jitsu with some amazing cops that are really trying to be better for their community and themselves. I am just defensive after reading all the comments.
Then factor in the 1% that are real monsters and I understand the way people feel.
https://sites.temple.edu/klugman/2020/07/20/do-40-of-police-families-experience-domestic-violence/
Again preaching to the choir over worked and riddled w PTSD obviously the result is domestic violence and other unsafe behaviors. I mean the 1% monsters like this fellow. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44402948
It’s only 1% when you ignore the domestic violence.
1% monsters like Jenkins 40% that beat their families can and should fuck themselves. I am referring to the corruption and actively destroying the communities they work in not just home life.
A good officer will have no problem respecting a bakery’s no-firearms policy.
my opinion is this (rejecting cops) will only make things worse.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt because if you don’t they will punish you isn’t really giving them the benefit of the doubt, it is a backhanded acknowledgement that if they are not collectively appeased and given unwarranted grace, they will behave badly.
That’s not an argument that they’re not bullies, it sounds like an acknowledgement that they’re bullies and it would be better to appease them
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After the amadou diallo shooting the NYPD knee jerk response was to increase the trigger pull pressure of their pistols so it would be harder to pull the trigger. So instead of better training and use of force tactics they just made it harder to shoot. And that in turn makes it easier to miss and hit bystanders. A perfect example of the terrible policy to breeds bad cops.
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I’ve walked out of a restaurant when 4 cops rolled in.
it’s about the guns, not the cops
Honestly would be cooler if it were about the cops
Ssshh. It definitely is wink
It’s wholly within their rights to refuse service to anyone for any reason. I hope they stick to their… well, I guess “stick to their guns” doesn’t really work here but whatever.
If they are a public facing business, they are not within their rights to refuse service to anyone for any reason. There are protected classes, like age/race/sexuality. So if you own a business like a coffee shop, you can’t say “no black people.” However, police and guns are not protected classes, so I think they should be in the clear legally.
What happened to the supreme court cases that said it’s ok to discriminate against protected classes as long as it just so happens to be “against your religion”
“against your Christian religion”. Fixed that for you.
The Supreme Court decision was a very narrow decision based on how the commission treated the business owner, not a broad decision on free exercise vs protected class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission
Of course. They’re patient. They chipped away at abortion for decades before finally getting it overturned in Dobbs.
Similarly they went from Masterpiece Cake Shop to the Creative LLC case which widened the exception further because it’s a “creative endeavor”. Don’t for a minute think they’re not queing up a case to deny medical services based on a “sincerely held religious beliefs”.
Unfortunately that isn’t true. Businesses have a right to refuse service for a wide variety of reasons. Like you said though those protected classes are illegal to discriminate against.
That is why you can have rules, like “no shirt no shoes no service”. So in this case it is if you bring a gun you will be asked to leave.
Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow…
Nooo I’m sure the police are very honorable men and women who would never retaliate against anyone for any reason.
They would certainly never accept bribes for any reason, or destroy evidence, or beblatantly racist.
No no no these are honorable men
Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow…
So you’re saying people who become cops aren’t interested in the public good and are more interested in power?
Well I never!
It’s not like police departments give a shit about robbery anyway. They take a report and tell you to call insurance. Better off with a guy with a gun.
Fun fact, if they can prove the police deliberately delayed their response that’s a massive lawsuit.
You still gotta convince the city and then who are you really hurting? If the cops had to pay lawsuits out of the FOP pension fund maybe that would matter. If you sue the city you’re only hurting your neighbors and yourself.
Payments for those things shouldn’t come out of public funds, cops should individually be required to carry malpractice insurance. Cop gets found guilty of violating someones rights? Settlement gets paid by their insurance. I bet you’d see all those “bad apples” suddenly being utterly unemployable once they literally can’t find anyone willing to insure their scumbag asses.
Forcing cops to carry the equivalent of malpractice insurance would be a great step.
If.
Also the distinction is “no uniforms, no guns” off duty police are still served. It’s actually a little closer to “no shoes, no shirt, no service”.
As listed in the article some of the employees and regular customers come from war-torn places or have histories of traumatic interactions with police. Hence the ban comes from a place of limiting PTSD reactions.
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“Stick to their buns” I guess?
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For some more context this place, reems, really isn’t a bakery so much as a middle eastern take out place. The main store is currently closed down though so the only place they have open is a counter serve food court style place in the ferry building, so the cops didn’t get kicked out of the place, they either went to the counter and the cashier refused to serve, or more likely, they saw the new policy online and threw a hissy fit without actually going.
The founder is a Palestinian leftist, so this probably was targeted towards cops/military.
I’d highly recommend going here if your on a tourist trip and end up in the ferry building, not just for the cop hate, but there wraps are great as well.
Oh no. A leftist!
Yeah, we’re so damn scary!
- Sincerely, leftist pacifist
Why are you a pacifist? All rights are won through violence.
Because I don’t believe that might makes right. I believe that we can be better than our primitive and murderous ancestors and we owe it to each other to at least try.
As for your assertion on the origins of rights, that’s absolute bullshit. The vast majority of worker’s and other civil rights have been won via peaceful protest.
You’ve actually got it backwards: TAKING AWAY rights always happens through violence. That’s what it’s for: enforcing your will on those you are unable or unwilling to convince by civilized means.
Can you actually name which rights we’ve won via peaceful protests?
I will not fight for Starfleet, but I will defend its ideals. Pacifism is not pacivity. It’s the active protection of all living things in the natural universe.
~Hemmer
Can you get to your real point? What do you want?
Ghandi is the only one that comes to mind. And in Bill Wurtz’s “The History of everything, I guess” video he even says “wait, that worked?!?”
That would be the right for the Indian people to self govern.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but since I’ve never heard of a Jamaican Revolution, so I’m guessing they also won their independence without bloodshed.
LGBTQ rights I feel like have made huge strides without violence. There was the Stonewall riots, of course, but since then most of the rights have been achieved mostly through normalization and exposure through pop culture and stuff like that. Of course, some people are trying to rewind those, but conservatives are like that with all rights that aren’t specifically for white men.
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This is so disingenuous.
I was with you right up until this historical revisionism. I’m a Baha’i and we are pacifists. But. If there is a threat to the community, we will start with words and diplomacy, and will end where we need to, to ensure the unity and safety of our communities.
Even if it were a policy against serving cops, didn’t the Supreme Court literally just rule that a business can deny any group?
If you can refuse to serve gay people, you can refuse to serve cops. This shit goes both ways.
Yes because homosexuals could just leave their gay in their car amirite
Right… why do they have to exist in public… /s 🧐🤔😭
True, but court would claim the previous ruling was focused on contracted custom services and freedom of speech.
It would be pretty easy for them to craft an argument in favor of letting the cops in, as hypocritical as it may be.
this is what being conservative is all about. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
So then the Masterpiece Cake Shop ruling, maybe.
That one might apply better. Same outcome.
if you’re going to have policies that discriminate against one group of people, then own it, post it publicly,
…McCray said somehow without even a hint of irony.
“Reem’s has a deep commitment to uplifting social and racial justice in our communities,” the statement said. “This includes fostering an environment of safety for our staff and customers. In a time of increased gun violence — particularly impacting people of color, youth, and queer people — we believe that maintaining a strict policy of prohibiting guns in our restaurant keeps us safer.”
They don’t want guns on their property. It’s pretty simple. They have the right to restrict guns on their property.
Calling them ‘bigots’ and ‘discriminatory’ is disgusting, because those words mean hating people for inherent qualities that can’t be changed, like skin colour. You can leave your gun and uniform behind and poof you magically aren’t in the ‘discriminated’ group.
Black people can’t leave their skin in their car. See the difference? No? Then you might be a bigot.
e: anonymous downvoters, don’t be a pussy, reply please. That’s the whole point of this forum. Engage or gtfo.
Hey now, cops aren’t all bad. I mean 60% of police wouldn’t be caught beating their wives.
60% of chips didn’t admit to it, that 40% was a self reported number so 40% were dumb enough to see “do you beat your spouse” and went "uhh duh…yep, everyday!
Congratulations, you found the joke behind me choosing such a specific wording.
Here is a fun fact, they actually ruled that it is constitutional for a police officer to have IQ requirements in hiring out of concern that someone who did not meet the requirement would not obey orders or may have questions about certain orders.
This sounds reasonable except I’m not talking about the IQ being too low, I’m talking about the IQ being too high, some departments will actually limit people from being police officers if they test too high on an aptitude test.
If cops want the bakery to “own” their policy, they they should own their policy of racial profiling
The police complaining about something being bigoted? Are they that blind? Or do they really only care when it effects them…
This is the worst kind of discrimination: the kind against me
The latter, it’s the latter.
They’re not blind, they just know more forms of abuse than punching their wives.
The right wing very much likes twisting and using the language the left uses against them.
Aa the ban only applies to uniformed and armed cops and not plain clothed off duty ones they seem to be more outraged by the lack of convenience.
They seem to have wheeled out their Victorian fainting couch over the barest hint of being told to respect a PTSD trigger safe space for people who have been terrorized by uniformed and armed people. Oh the bigotry! (snerk)
