And I thought they were supposed to be shying away from fossil fuels.

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      if i were looking to fuck with a Tesla, i’d pay close attention to any indication that the car was purchased recently. there are a LOT of people out there with a murder fetish, and i GUARANTEE that a lot of the nice new ones out there are really bait cars for gun owners that have been dying for a reason to shoot someone.

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        Yeah, probably a lot of Rittenhouse wannabes out there who wanna test the limits of castle doctrine.

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        You! You’re that pathetic Elmo dick rider from the other sub. He still isn’t going to give you money, you germ.

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            Bro you made exactly one comment where you tried to extend the base level of human empathy to Elon. Don’t you know you’re the devil now?

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              Read some of his other posts. He still thinks Elmo is a flawed god and will somehow come good, while trivializing the harm he does to millions of people in the meanwhile.

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                I think you just misunderstand their message. From what I can tell, they think Elon is unkind and generally disagreeable. Also, from what I can glean from their comments, they believe in the gentile approach similarly to the teachings of pacifists like MLK and Ghandi.

                It’s not wrong, it’s just a different form of resistance than you’re used. You’re used to violent, aggressive resistance more similar to the teachings of revolutionaries like Malcom X and Hamilton. That’s not wrong either, it’s just a different form of resistance than he’s used to.

                What’s important to realize is that we actually need both. In order to make change, we need to overwhelm the opposition with legal issues, gentleness in the face of violence, and rule-following at the same time as we overwhelm them with Tesla burnings, protests, and what have you. We have to do it all. Because they’ve been doing it all. They’ve been gently ripping at the seams of our systems until now, they can rip them apart. We need to rip at their seams at the same time that we tear at the loose ones.

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    I know it’s a joke, but many Tesla “solar” charging stations did actually use diesel generators a few years ago. Citation needed, but I can’t be assed to look up the article.

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      Not to mention the electrical energy stored in their cells has a fairly strong possibility of having been generated by a power plant consuming coal or petroleum.

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        I live in Alberta where most of our power comes from natural gas. I’m also an emissions and sustainability engineer. I did the math on environmental payback for an EV where I live and the EV is WILDLY better for the environment despite the power potentially coming from fossil fuels.

        If you tell me roughly where you live I can calculate emissions per kilometre/mile including the energy that goes into manufacturing the vehicle.

        There’s absolutely jurisdictions where EVs don’t make much difference - but most places they do.

        (large scale power generation is pretty effecient and most jurisdictions have some renewables in the mix. A car’s gas engine is much lower efficiency most places)

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          No disputes from me on your assessment. In principle I’m a big fan of EVs as a maturing technology and my only hangup with Tesla is its association with the person who is its CEO and the role he’s chosen to play in US politics.

          I’ll gladly champion a vehicle that has incredible efficiency in converting its stored energy into mechanical work, especially when that stored energy came from a source that’s 40-60% thermally efficient (for combustion-based processes) or derived from solar/wind/geothermal/hydro sources and can be partially recuperated via braking. It’s too bad there aren’t more EV options for people who want or need a 3/4 or 1-ton pickup (of which I happen to be a big fan for hauling/towing/plowing).

          The one area where I’m still dubious of electric vehicles is in cold climates, although I think I’ve read heat pumps are being used with success. Otherwise, I’d propose a small auxiliary tank (preferably propane, if infrastructure permits) and a “Chinese diesel heater”-type unit be installed simply for cabin heating/defogging. Few energy conversions make me cringe more than that of high-exergy electricity (derived from non-renewables) directly into thermal energy, convenient as it may be for the end user.

          Of course, it’d be nice if that combustive heat could be generated from sustainably-harvested hydrogen instead of an extracted hydrocarbon, but at that point, a fuel cell running a heat pump would be even better, with resistive waste heat from the FC an added bonus. But now it all feels a bit Rube Goldbergian…

          Anyway, what’s your take on EV use in climates with harsh winters (such as Canada/Alaska/Montana/Wyoming/Minnesota), especially when long range might be needed?

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            My partner and I backcountry ski, iceclimb etc. One of the reasons we went with the Ioniq 5 was that we can sleep in the back and use the heat pump to keep us warm.

            We recently did a weeklong ski trip with it. We drove from from Golden, BC back to Calgary, AB (250km/150mi) in -16C (3F) and used 70% of a charge. One day on that trip, we were backcountry skiing in similar weather and the car sat outside in that weather for 8 hours. No loss of battery.

            One of the unexpected features I really enjoy is that I never pump gas in the cold any more. I programmed my work schedule and the car pre-warms for my commute. I get home, plug the car in, and it’s always ready to go.

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              Thanks for the great beta! When it finally comes time for me to retire the ol’ 14 y/o flat-4, I’ll keep your advice in mind.

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        Even when powered by fossil fuel power plants, electric vehicles are still usually better in terms of CO2 emissions. Power plants benefit from scale, so they’re a lot more efficient than the tiny combustion engines in cars. Regenerative braking also saves a ton of energy when driving in the city.

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          The thing is, that EVs, and Tesla/Musk in particular are trying to continue a war against public transport that the car industry has been fighting for 100+ years at this point. Using the same power sources, an electric train is orders of magnitude more efficient than an EV, and even a diesel train is emitting less CO2. Hell, a diesel bus is probably still emitting less.

          Edit: per person/passenger.

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            Of course, public transit is far better. Unfortunately it’s often easier (especially in the US) to convince people to buy a different kind of car than it is to convince them to use public transit.

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              Yeah definitely, but EVs are being pushed globally as a solution to climate change when they just aren’t really.

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        Yes the fossil fuel industry loved to point this one out. “Hahaha! We’re so dirty even your clean tech can’t be clean!”

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      His stock in Tesla is leveraged for a lot of other things he does. Lowering the stock value could cripple him financially.

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      Run Tesla stock prices into the ground. It’s legal and, short of criminal violence, it would damage Elon worse than anything else. Without his money, Elmo Muskrat would just be the guy at the end of a dive bar you avoid because all they talk about is government conspiracies to cover up the fact that Lizard People Aliens are making human lizard people hybrids.

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            today i learned! the defining characteristic of vodka isn’t the raw ingredient but rather the distillation and filtration process that makes it a neutral spirit.

            according to the U.S. TTB (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau) and the EU regulations, vodka is:

            • a neutral spirit distilled to at least 95% ABV (190 proof) and then diluted to no less than 37.5% ABV (EU) or 40% ABV (U.S.) before bottling
            • usually filtered, often through charcoal, to remove impurities and flavors
            • can be made from any fermentable sugar or starch—grains (wheat, rye, corn), potatoes, grapes, even milk whey
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              I wonder if biodegradable packing peanuts would work…I think they’re just starch, probably from corn.

              I’d love to build a still someday…

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                your particular sense of innovation concerns me, but you don’t have to wait to start making booze at home. for real, all you need is a bottle of juice, some sugar, some yeast, and some time. maybe a balloon and a straw if you want to be all fancy. seriously, though, search “wine from juice” on youtube.

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                What the other person said. You don’t need fancy yeast or bottles, either. I did it with 2 liter soda bottles and bread yeast, back in college.

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    Pro Tip, you don’t need gasoline to burn Tesla just puncture there battery and it will go kaboom. /s

    PS : THIS IS A JOKE DON’T EVER PUNCTURE A LITHIUM ION BATTERY IT IS VERY DANGEROUS

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        I remember myth busters made a video about that, something like if gas tank was almost empty it atpeast got ignited otherwise nothing even when shot at gas tank.

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    I thought this joke was going to be about all the cybertrucks needing towing because of yet another recall.

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    I think for the first time in my life I’m okay with cars burning extra fuel needlessly