Red Bull - European but Far right
Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.
Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …
(And it’s also not very healthy,…)
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Did you just got here from reddit or what? Or is it some toung in cheek /s stuff too elaborate for me?
No, I’m not new. This account is new because you can’t use mod tools properly if your account is on a separate instance from the modded community (e.g. you don’t get reports, can’t sticky stuff, etc).
And you also might not actually see the whole discussion going on here since you are on lemmy.world due to defederation between lemmy.world and other instances and so. I’m just reminding everyone to keep it civil since this community has had heated discussions before and the discussion easily slips into nationalism, which is against our rules.
Are you a moderator? Of .world or maybe on your server? Just trying to figure it out here.
No worries, I’m a mod on !buyeuropean@feddit.uk community. Not an admin on .world or feddit.uk, just a feddit.uk user that is also a moderator of buyeuropean@feddit.uk
I try to buy european but i think it’s important to remind ourselves that we have shit companies in Europe that don’t deserve our business. Red Bull, Nestlé, Müllermilch all these mf can suck it.
I’d also throw Bayer into that list. Knowingly had HIV contaminated blood, considered the amount of money they’d lose by destroying it, so they supplied it to patients in Latin America and Asia. Bayer considered the investment they had in the contaminated product, decided NOT to destroy it, for profits sake, and infected thousands of people with it. They misrepresented the results to not lose money and killed thousands.
I know pharmaceutical companies is a giant mess, but Bayer is on par with Nestle for me.
Following this logic i’d end up buying nothing or absolute crap. Example: i really liked Kellogg’s corn flakes and i tried to switch to a local brand (Cerealitalia) but unfortunately is tastes bad. In the biggest supermarket of my town it’s Kellogg’s, Nestlè or Cerealitalia so it’s US, shitty company or shitty product. Same goes for Coca Cola: it’s Coca Cola, Pepsi or the coke with the same brand of the supermarket (tastes meh). I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
i mean, personally if i had to pick between a shitty company and a shitty product, i’d just pick neither unlesa it was a necessity
I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
I think that’s what it’s about. I am not perfect, your are not, nobody is. Time, money, availability of products and all that are constraints that sometimes just don’t allow for a “good” product. Like someone else here wrote: a marathon not a sprint. I try to be happy about good alternatives that i find and not worry to much where i can’t. After all a trip to the supermarket shouldn’t feel like shit.
What’s up with Müllermilch? I haven’t bought it in a while because it wasn’t very healthy anyway. But i didn’t know the company itself was bad
The CEO meets up with the AfD on the regular to discuss Nazi things.
Owner is cozy with the AFD
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I am permanently banned from making Reddit accounts because I got about 4 of them banned for “promoting violence”.
The violence? Telling people it was a good thing to punch Nazis. Reddit is a Nazi safe space.
I got a warning for upvoting pro-Canada stuff like “elbows up”. That is apparently promoting violence.
Well yeah, you’re promoting the same kind of violence that Ukraine continues to perpetrate on Russia.
Go fertilize a sunflower, Yuri :)
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“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
Athur Harris described an element of the fascist mindset to a T with this quote, this bully mentality that can not comprehend the would-be victims fighting back.
I wonder why it applies so thoroughly to Russia?
Yeah, at this point Reddit is a sinking ship. Been using it for so long too. A little sad to see it go, but it’s a shell of what it used to be.
Yikes, Reddit is slowly killing itself. I remember years ago it was more the opposite - there were some seriously disturbing subs because they didn’t want any censorship. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and it’s hard to say anything of substance without getting warned or banned
Remember when you could say things like “The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi”? Wasn’t even that long ago.
Seriously, fuck Nazis. All of a sudden you’ve got Nazis in government and we’re supposed to act like you should tolerate that shit. Hmmm.
Yep, permanently banned here for “ban evasion” though I only know 1 sub I was banned from and I never went there after. That’s okay, helped me quit what is clearly a hollow shell of user participation filled with a corpo bot sludge. It’s really easy to VPN up and make another account anyway, but why play in the garbage heap?
o Reddit is no place for normal people
I got banned, three times so far, for baiting and calling out ruzzian trolls. Apparently, telling them to go dig a fresh latrine pit for babushka, is inciting violence. Assholes.
It also tastes like shit and is prohibitively expensive compared to many energy drink brands
Also has even higher chances of giving you kidney stones than other sodas iirc
But isn’t that all energy drinks? Not that I have any clue, the only times I ever drank them was when I was 17 and they were mixed with vodka.
The ol’ heart exploder cocktail.
Idk honestly but I have read this factoid specifically about red bull several times on the Internet so it must be true (/s)
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They also support Israel’s apartheid and occupation, they are listed on the NoThanks app.
It’s also owned by the creator of the original Red Bull in Thailand, which is a different company, but it’s named after an extreme right wing paramilitary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Gaurs
Wtffffff
Holy shit what is up with the reddit mods? I posted a screenshot of a Mastodon post there yesterday, that basically said if youre switching us big tech for eu big tech you’re not doing enough and that we have to support decentralized tech. Deleted in 5 minutes because it “posts should be relevant to european made products”
I mean i prefer a faceless capitalist conglomerate from Europe to one from the US but it sure doesn’t feel great.
But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
That simply isn’t possible in our system.The post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.
If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.
@superkret
I’m more of the avoid-US(-and-some-others) stance.
@SwordOfOtto @EuropeanMade
idk about r/buyFromEU but r/europe on reddit is pretty right-wing
I think the buy EU thing (and for that matter, all this trade war bullshit) is one of those things that claims to be apolitical but is inherently nationalistic and so massively popular with/supported by/in support of the authoritarian right.
One of those salt of saturn political things that lets people pretend they aren’t right-wing.
we shouldn’t dismiss the movement as a whole just because some rightwingers are a part of it, but our choices with regard to consumption should be more nuanced than America bad, Europe good.
The idea of buying something only because it’s made in a certain country is nationalistic on its own
True. If the movement was called boycott facists, or even buy local I don’t think there would be the same problem.
Right-wing is when not wanting to buy from fascists
Exactly what I am talking about. Plenty of facists in the EU, plenty of non-facists outside the EU. Make your decision based on the politics of the people you are buying from, not what flag they wrap around themselves.
That’s not really how it works… I mean sure, avoid nestle and red Bull, but that’s a separate decision
The point is that fascism is not unique to the US, i.e. not everyone from the US is fascist and the EU also has fascists. To imply that universally EU=good and US=bad is nationalistic. Just be aware thay this sentiment may also attract people who join out of a sense of national pride rather than anti-fascism.
The US is lead by a fascist and a fascist party. Most of the EU isn’t. I also don’t buy stuff from Italy for the same reason.
You can’t take things out of context. There’s currently a far right US presidents creating an economical war with the historical allies and economical partners of his country. The point of boycotting is to try to prove him wrong about thinking that he can impose his wishes by force, the target is him and his government, not the US people in general. There’s also the hope that weakening him could allow a political change next term, which would make things better for our American friends. Of course it is political, but it’s against Trump, not the people.
There are countries that arent in Europe
If it’s not from USA (or sometimes China), it’s fine… Idk why they didn’t name it avoid Usa Products or sth
I thought BuyFromEU was more about avoid US products… You know, because the Trump antiques and the corporatism there
By right wing, do you mean right of Marxism or do you have some example of conservatism?
no, I mean that there is plenty of racism on r/europe and the mods tolerate it
Really? I said that we should limit migration EU wide and I got perma banned… r/Europe is not right wing at all
Well, for one there’s the constant love of the MIC (no criticism allowed), then there’s the ever present transphobia and homophobia (exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C, exhibit D), then the anti-immigrant/xenophobic stuff (example, you can see a lot of “they’re erasing our identity blablabla” bullshit there). Most threads have some right wing idiots.
No, they’re solidly right wing, perhaps the mods aren’t as much, but the people there definitely are.
If Germany’s CDU had a Reddit wing, r/Europe would be it lmao
It always had some shifty people but it got so much worse after they shut down the sub and later re-opened
Without reading the actual post, and my sole reaction to the thread title is: you can purchase Reddit mods?
Where is the post?
I meant the thread title… my bad.
10 to 15 years back when I still watched tv, I loved Servus TV: news, lots of documentaries, reports and some panel shows. Like, TV before enshittification. Absolutely nothing even remotely close to what this post is suggesting. Has it gone down since then, or is this post misinformation? Can anybody who’s still watching TV confirm this?
Misinformation, I’ll refer to my other comment https://mander.xyz/comment/17586770
Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.
It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).
ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).
My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.
Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)
That’s a half truth.
In that Format mentioned, they always make sure to have a 4 to 1 superiority in numbers against any center or left people and also only have them there for show. It is designed to tell people, that they are open for discussion. But in truth they spread far right propaganda and Russian propaganda. (Which is the same in Austria, since the FPÖ is famously “brought” and backed bay Putin.).
Recently their main host description of Ukraine was “drug fueled Nazi war mongers who attacked Russia”.
I have a hard time believing that, where did they say that?
And no, it’s simply not true that they’re making that 4 to 1 to the right, unless they changed that since December (haven’t watched R-L-M lately). At least until November it usually was balanced, so the occasional anti-mainstream people got fact checked quickly by the four others.
Is it like Jubilee?
This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.
Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.
So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.
As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.
It’s a double edged sword, yes. But in times like these (internet) people can present their views regardless, so I’d say its nice when they’re doing it somewhere where well-articulated and science-backed views get presented too and they can be fact checked. That’s how you win back people before they’re too deep in the rabbit hole, on the internet they quickly just fall into an echo chamber, only getting recommended similar articles, videos, … to the ones that they’re already reading/watching.
For people like me in the other hand it’s interesting to see from which kind of people they got some of their world views and makes it easier to prepare arguments against them.
I’d simply say discussions are a good thing for a democracy, I really don’t like the mindset of simply letting people fall out of touch with any mainstream information (which is mainstream for a reason) once they reject it on one topic. That leads to polarisation, radicalisation and a rising amount of voters for the pro-Russian parties.
Trump also would never have won if the USA wasn’t so polarised.
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They aren’t pushing the government to do anything? But one of the most common reasons why people vote for the FPÖ is protest against the other parties (yes, it’s a stupid way to protest), so maybe talking about what they could potentially change to gain their voters back is a good thing.
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DON’T. LET. PERFECT. BE. THE. ENEMY. OF. GOOD
It’s still European, even though not ideal. What’s worse, to fund right-wing nuts (here or elsewhere), or to fund a (probably in the making) fascist state?
I think you might want to make an exception for far-right loonies, as a far-right loony getting into power is what started this whole shitstorm.
Agreed, I don’t like the mods of that sub.
But if they Want to keep the movement simply “Buy European” without bringing other politics and ethics into the mix. I don’t have a problem with that.
A “Don’t buy Red Bull” post seems off topic for me on a “Buy European” sub
I should get a tattoo with this statement LMAO
Nothing in Redbull is good for you, it’s full of sugar, and it comes in a can. Cans are lined with plastic that bleed estrogenic chemicals into the beverage. I’ve cut canned drinks out of my life entirely.
Cans are lined with plastic that bleed estrogenic chemicals into the beverage
I did some quick looking through
googleEcosia and I found some stuff that (seemingly? I’m not an expert) confirms this. It made sweeping statements about pretty much all plastic, though. Do you still drink stuff from plastic bottles?This sounds like a snide comment but it’s not, I’m interested because I currently still drink both from cans and plastic bottles!
I don’t drink from plastic bottles for the same reason.
If you’re going to drink from a plastic bottle anyway I don’t think the plastic lining on a can is going to be worse. Interesting it’s there though, only learned about it a couple years ago.
I mean, that’s just plastic in general, it’s also why you shouldn’t reheat food in plastic containers because it can leach chemicals out of it.
Completely baseless assumption, but if there’s enough chemicals leaching from the containers into your food, you’d be able to taste it and wouldn’t be ingesting it to begin with.
There’s plenty of chemicals that either don’t have a taste, or are harmful at concentrations we aren’t able to detect by taste. I’m not saying they’re in plastic necessarily, but they definitely exist.
Studies show that there are around 10-20 microplastic particles per liter in canned beverages. Carbonated sodas contain more (6-82), possibly due to the carbonation breaking down the lining in the can.
For comparison:
- tap water contains around 4-25 particles per liter
- bottled water contains 10-100 particles per liter
- tea bags can release billions of particles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524026377?via=ihub)
So if you’re going to avoid anything, avoid… tea bags, of all things.
I didn’t know redbull was European and I didn’t know servus tv belonged to redbull
Red bull is original thai
Bullshit they actively promoting anti corona, pro Putin and far right wing plebs for the last 10 years now! I live in Austria and it’s ridiculous you try defend them. Yes they were an awesome tv station back then )until 2017. But nowadays it’s just a hate tv!
