• Fredthefishlord
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    The US is very nationalistic (How many countries force their children to pledge alliance to the flag daily

    The usa doesn’t force the children… You do understand that right? There’s actually been a very high profile case over it

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      Legally it’s not required, socially it basically is, and there’s real costs to going against that.

      So, you’re technically right, maybe. It’s still not normal for a democracy.

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        There isn’t real costs. It’s not socially basically required.

        Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.

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          So many stories Americans have written on here and Reddit contradict that.

          Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.

          Okay, sure. So what?

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            You do realize that the bad is amplified on social media, right?

            Okay, sure. So what?

            So the statement given was false. And state forcing is completely different from social pressure in ethical terms.

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              I do, and I’ve adjusted for that. I know Americans and I know how they are about their nationalism.

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      Legally, schools and teachers can’t force a student to perform the pledge of allegiance. But it’s also taught so early in school that most students don’t even question it as something to do.

      Anectdotally: I was regularly performing the pledge of allegiance (literally said every morning of school) since kindergarten in the US. Also anecdotally: I’ve literally seen a teacher scold student(s) for not performing the pledge of allegiance. The latter case may not be as common; but the former definitely is common in the US.

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        Ok, you see how that’s not forcing though. A teacher is not the literal country

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          The fact that there was a high profile case might indicate that it’s not as trivially optional as you make it seem.

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          You’re being pedantic. The original point is referring to how indoctrinating the pledge of allegiance can be. If you’re being made to do something since you’re a very young kid and risk being scolded when you don’t do it: you’re essentially being forced.

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      You do understand that right?

      They probably don’t. Same type of person that brings up Flint MI even though they’ve addressed the issue