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In the 196 sub an OP was asking for advice on how to change their friends opinions which they disapprove of, because they were trying to warn them off of ‘the tankie triad’ and their friend didn’t have any issues with what they were seeing and was in fact subscribed to a number of instance already.

Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:

> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response. — Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on.

I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ‘tankie apologia’ and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if ‘genuinely be their friend’ is ‘tankie apologia’ to be censored, I’m not sure you’re going to be very successful convincing anyone of anything in the real world.

I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find ‘the tankie triad’ extremely silly:

yeah that’s the context, I was just laughing because:

  1. only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
  2. it sounds really silly, like they’re a nemesis to dr venture.
  3. I’m supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔

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I’m not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I’ve run into in any of ‘the tankie triad’. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ‘tankie’ run instances don’t seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
    5·
    24 hours ago

    I’ll take the compliment, I do try to be level-headed.

    Do you honestly not see what the folks you defend say?

    I’ve actually lurked on hexbear for some time, specifically because I was getting a feel for the culture. I haven’t seen anything I would classify as ‘patriotic’ socialism. Those types get roundly mocked when they show up. There are a lot of positive opinions of the USSR, but I haven’t seen anyone seriously saying Russia in the current day is anything but a reactionary hellhole to live in. They generally will point to the dissolution of the USSR and the liberalization of the economy as part of the reason for that, and frankly I would agree with that assessment.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      4·
      23 hours ago

      I haven’t seen anything I would classify as ‘patriotic’ socialism. Those types get roundly mocked when they show up. There are a lot of positive opinions of the USSR, but I haven’t seen anyone seriously saying Russia in the current day is anything but a reactionary hellhole to live in.

      But I have seen those kinds of comments, ok take !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works out of the equation and the “out of context” screenshots as you call them.

      I have personally read and even gotten into “debates” with the infamous .ml tankies like davel, dessalines and yogthos that did say things like Russia is great and Putin is a great leader fully justified to invade Ukraine, that there is no censorship in China and that NK isn’t a brutal dictatorship

      What’s the rationale there?

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
        4·
        23 hours ago

        I’m not trying to play dumb but I really haven’t come across anyone seriously saying Russia is great, but people have dumb takes and do heavy handed shit in the heat of the moment all the time so who knows. Either way my point is this isn’t like ‘the thing’ where anyone left alone in the room with a tankie for 5 minutes is going get converted into an alien bent on world domination, they’re just other humans with a different set of life experiences and trying to conflate them (or anyone ‘defending’ them) with hardened bigots/fascists is just needlessly divisive: doing their work for them, in my opinion.

        Especially when it’s other trans people. We have enough issues right now with our government, how can we be putting up resistance if we’re too busy spending time cutting off segments of our own community because they’re failing geopolitics purity tests.