I’ve been meditation almost daily for 15-20 minutes the last 1.5 months. I enjoy the pratice, and it is nice and relaxing, however I find the changes, if any, to be very subtle (to the point that they might as well be placebo).
Curious to hear your experiences.
did you read the article I linked?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4054695/
tl;dr enough skillful meditation reduces your sleep
Since I experience this reduction in sleep as unwanted and disruptive, I call it insomnia - but call it what you want, it’s increased wakefulness and decreased sleep.
Not only does the effect last (as long as you continue to practice enough hours of meditation skillfully), it’s very common and well known among Buddhist monks who meditate that you stop sleeping, even remaining aware during sleep:
The amount of sleep of proficient meditators according to Buddhist texts is around 4 hours a night, with observed amounts of meditators in retreat of 1.5 - 3 hours:
Furthermore, I have no insomnia without mediation - when I meditate regularly I have difficulty falling asleep and maintaining a normal sleep schedule, many nights not sleeping more than 4 - 6 hours. When I stop meditating, I go back to sleeping 8 - 10 hours a night. This happens every time I go back to meditating, and stops every time I stop. It is clearly caused by the meditation.
The meditation is not causing insomnia because of increased contemplation of mental health issues, like therapy might cause insomnia - I do not experience the insomnia as anxious rumination or anything like that. Instead it feels like a generalized hyperarousal, like I took a stimulant, or if you vigorously exercise too late on a sunny day.
I can spend hours counting sheep and it’s too engaging, so I try to manufacture the most mundane and boring situations possible. I would often even remain awake during dreams, it’s just difficult to fully lose consciousness. Usually I would lose consciousness only after many hours of lying awake, usually sometime like 2 - 4 in the morning.
I’m not sure why you are so confident that insomnia is not a side effect of meditation. How frequently and how much do you meditate, and what style of meditation do you do? I think these things could make a difference in your experiences, e.g. I suspect open awareness practices are less likely than concentration practices in terms of creating increased wakefulness.
@dandelion with a bell call at 4am, definitely means less sleep… 😅
and with intensive periods of practice, the benefits of meditation means that both mind and body need less sleep to recuperate. pretty obvious. still not a negative ‘side effect’.
thanks for the article 🙏
Ah, the losing of sleep I’m describing is not due to the bells, but it is a good point that not sleeping is practically institutional at a monastery.
I think whether losing sleep is negative depends on the framing.
In Buddhism, it is taken as a sign of progress, but in secular contexts lacking sleep like that can be a problem, esp. when meditation is mistakenly suggested to help with insomnia.
Mostly I struggled to have equanimity towards the lack of sleep - losing sleep also impacted my meditation, making it harder to concentrate or have good sessions. I would say mostly it felt like I just needed less sleep, but even so it was hard to lie awake every night for several hours, unable to lose consciousness.