According to Reuters, Trump is preparing to remove legal status for 240000 Ukrainian immigrants, following which they will likely be deported back to a war zone.

The US continues her slide into global irrelevance, abandoning respect for democracy, the rule of law, and human rights.

It is the duty of the countries that continue to respect democracy and human rights, including Canada, to prevent these people from being forced back into a war torn country.

Edit Still getting the hang of this, created this post without the link to Reuters. Apologies, link added.

  • Benjaben@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    I think people are really naive about the kinds of stories and evidence Trump voters are seeing post election.

    Trump voters consume media that makes him look good, that’s why they voted for him. It is impossible to make Trump look good without enormous efforts toward deception. Therefore Trump voters consume media that successfully lies to them, and in major ways.

    Before the election, that media convinced those people that he isn’t an obviously amoral con man, and even more incredibly, that our country needed him to save us. That is a miracle of deception - a nat 20, a coup de grace. And what, we think that media just stops after the election? The disinformation never, ever stops. Real world consequences will reach some, but not nearly enough to counteract that.

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      I can understand that they have a confirmation bias if they only choose to consume right-wing media.

      But surely, they are catching some news outside the country and hearing what Canadian and European news are saying?

      It’s been non-stop, and nearly every world leader outside of Russia has been criticizing Trump and his dog, Musk, for the harm they are causing Americans and their allies. Even Fox news apparently is calling him out.

      You really would have to make a special effort to avoid what the international community is saying. It would be hard to even misinterpret what’s being said on the world stage.

      Real world consequences will reach some, but not nearly enough to counteract that.

      Never say never. Depending on how steadfast the rest of the world is, I think most republican voters will feel the pain he’s brought upon them. They can only blame Biden, Obama, and Clinton for so long before they realize that Trump has had over 50 months of being president, and things have gotten worse for them, not better.

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        I think you are essentially projecting (and I hope you don’t read that as an attack, I don’t intend one). I think because it seems impossible for you yourself to ignore this stuff, you’re making incorrect assumptions about others. But maybe yours is more accurate and mine is less, I’d certainly prefer your version!

        One Trump voter that I know - she’s been pretty shocked by some of the things I’ve shown her post-election - but she has also told me that she’s not watching much news or keeping up right now. And she falls into the “merely foolish” Trump voter category, not even the hateful kind. My sense is that the vast majority of important info that’s coming out, she is either tuned out from, or rationalizes as “can’t be that bad”. And I bet that is exceedingly common right now.

        This is powerful stuff, I mean it put this guy in the White House twice despite the mountains of evidence of his bankrupt morals, bankrupt businesses, outright scams, and straight up felonies. If you think they can’t successfully cover for him post-election, I just fundamentally disagree. Though it’s interesting to hear even Fox has been critical, I would really love to be wrong here.

        The other thing this leaves out is that the kind of personality who is drawn to Trump is very often the kind of personality that cannot handle admitting fault for any reason. So we have that lovely human tendency to try to overcome, too.

        But yeah, agreed that the problems might get big enough that it becomes impossible to out-propaganda reality.

      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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        But surely, they are catching some news outside the country and hearing what Canadian and European news are saying?

        Even most left-wing Americans don’t care about what’s happening outside their country.

        All Americans care about what happens in their bank accounts, though, so when the economy collapses due to Trump’s actions (which is already happending,) they’ll notice.