• _stranger_@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    This is supposed to be what NATO is for, so that they all fight like cats in a boardroom instead of killing their citizens on the battlefield.

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    6 hours ago

    It’s still a win-win. Sweden got the nuclear umbrella now (even with Trump because also France, UK), and Sweden brings a lot of conventional power to the weak east flank of the alliance (good for Baltics).

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    10 hours ago

    Easy solution - new defence pact without USA and invite everyone else the Trumpian USA stiffed on defence like Australia.

    We (Australia) are already in Eurovision so a defence pact with Europe (and the UK lol) would make sense!

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      Why? Are you worried the US is going to pull everyone into war or something?

      My understanding is that people are annoyed at US actions outside of NATO, like positions WRT NATO, Trump/Musk nonsense domestically, etc. But are they worried the US won’t defend if a NATO country is attacked?

      I understand issues with the US as a trade partner, but you really want the biggest military on your side in a defensive pact.

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      6 hours ago

      Does Australia need EU help in case a Second Emu War breaks out?

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      Our collective terrible singing, worse than the siren of Stuka and more terrifying than the brrt of A-10, will surely deter the both the Americans and Russians.

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    The U.S-part of it turned to shit incredibly quickly, but at least the rest of the Alliance is still mostly sane. Given that no one in the alliance can rely on the U.S any more, we’ll all just have to up our defenses collectively, and that way, NATO still sort of works out.

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      13 hours ago

      as long as it works on a full consensus system for decisions it’s a time bomb.

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      13 hours ago

      We make our own alliance! Without blackjack and hookers but many many animals, a leopard, a grille…

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        14 hours ago

        Ukraine is the fire.

        America is currently trying to put out the fire by dumping more fuel Russia on it.

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          13 hours ago

          If this were ADHD dumping more oil onto the fire would work

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              8 hours ago

              Panzerschokolade. We bring german economie back with Panzerschokolade!!

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                Honestly, based on the results it had on the Eastern Front, I think Russians attempting the same would probably be a huge gift to Ukraine.

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                  I have no idea if it helped or did worse. I heared it helped but i have no idea lol

  • lime!@feddit.nu
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    13 hours ago

    bit too much enthusiasm on Troy’s face to match reality. we didn’t want to join. the current government didn’t promise joining during the elections. there was no referendum, and at no point during the past ten years would the join side have won if there was one.

    we had to remove trade barriers to get in. we put those up because we didn’t want to sell weapons to countries systematically violating human rights on their own soil.