• iopq@lemmy.world
    42·
    14 hours ago

    I still don’t know what people use to create services other than systemd

    If you’re writing bash scripts you’re basically replicating a lot of the functionality of systemd but with larger foot guns

    • unhrpetby@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      2 hours ago

      We can use dinit, s6, runit, and openrc.

      There are more, but these are all top contenders.

      I switched to dinit recently, it uses declarative service management (like systemd unit files). Very clean, fast, lightweight, and portable.

    • 9point6@lemmy.world
      14·
      13 hours ago

      The system V init approach did the job fine for a couple of decades—even if the actual service definitions were a glorified shell switch statement as you insinuate.

      Canonical did their upstart thing for a couple of years that wasn’t too bad to use, personally I’m glad they ended up switching to systemd though.

    • Vivendi@lemmy.zip
      6·
      13 hours ago

      s6, dinit, openrc, BSD rc, are all alternative init systems with their own method of doing thing

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        8 hours ago

        All of them are worse in my experience. In a embedded context I use busybox init and if I need something more I used systemd. Systemd actually has a fairly small footprint. A few years ago I ran it on a system with 32mb of ram.

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
      7·
      13 hours ago

      How is furry an opinion?
      And how can an opinion be wrong?
      You can not say someone is wrong hating someone/something, if they do it, it is a fact and if not, it is a lie. And you have no way proving that.
      And lastly, thinking that most people use PulseAudio is a supposed fact, which can be true or false, but is not an opinion neither.

      But you can definitely say that your opinion is that furry as a culture is wrong, that hating systemd is wrong and that thinking anyone still uses PulseAudio is wrong.

      I must add, you have strange opinions…

      • edinbruh@feddit.it
        10·
        11 hours ago

        Well, opinions can be wrong. When someone says an opinion is wrong they don’t mean that it’s not true that you have that opinion, but rather that it’s an opinion you should not have.

        And some opinions like any other ideas are just wrong. You are entitled to have them, just as much as you are entitled to be wrong, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong.

        For example “we should change math so that 25+75=100” is an example of a wrong opinion.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          1·
          11 hours ago

          “I think, we should change math so that 25+75=100” is an opinion and it can not be wrong since you can not forcefully change opinions of persons that aren’t you.

          “We should change math so that 25+75=100” is a fact which can be true or false.

          • edinbruh@feddit.it
            7·
            10 hours ago

            “I think we should …” is not an opinion, it is a factual statement about an opinion ("we should…) which you have, and thus it’s either true or false depending on whether you have that opinion (“it’s true that you think …”) or not (“it’s not true that you think”).

            An opinion might be right or wrong if it’s an opinion you should or should not have, some of course are neither because not everything in life is just yes or no. Opinions about facts that are false or facts that are true are easily categorized as wrong and right opinions.

            “75+25=110” is an example of a true statement and thus a right opinion to have. “We should change 75+25 to be 100” is a false statement and thus an opinion that you shouldn’t have. “Pirandello is better than D’Annunzio” is neither true nor false, but you can still think that and hold it as an opinion, like I do, “I think Pirandello …” is a true statement about my opinion.

            In my opinion you are entitled to hold an opinion regardless whether it’s true or wrong or neither.

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              1·
              9 hours ago

              Who defines what opinion one should or shouldn’t have? There is no law or similar to force/prohibits having opinions. If something should or shouldn’t an opening is only defined by the opinion of the person judging. Therfore an opinion can not be wrong, it can just not align with your view.

              As I said “75+25=110” and “we should change maths so 75+25=100” are stated facts which can be true or false. “I think, we should change math so that 75+25=100” is an opinion you can agree with or disagree.

              “I think, 75+25=100” is not an opinion but a fact the person is saying is not sure if they remember correctly.

              Of course you can say my opinion is X while you real opinion is Y, but that is just not wanting to tell what you really think for some reason (e.g. due to fear, manipulation, not wanting to insult someone indirectly, etc.). Then your statement about your opinion is indeed wrong. But not your opinion itself.

              BTW. In which universe is 75+25=110?

              • edinbruh@feddit.it
                3·
                8 hours ago

                in which universe 75+25=110

                My bad, I meant the 75+35=100 thing, which is a common mistake people make when doing brain math. Just imagine I said 35 in the thread.

                Back to the topic. “Who decides…” I clearly said some opinions are neither right nor wrong, if something is subjective, it by definition is neither right nor wrong. “No law to force/prohibit” I also specifically said you are entitled to have wrong opinions, so we can ignore the entire “forcing/prohibiting” conundrum.

                Next paragraph. “… These are facts that can be true or wrong” exactly, and when I say “in my opinion <fact> is true” this is also a fact (a true one) in which I say “<fact> is true” is my opinion, but if “<fact>” is actually false, this is a wrong opinion that I shouldn’t have.

                An opinion is a fact you believe is true. But some facts are false and it’s wrong to believe they are true. “Your opinion is wrong” does not mean that “it’s false that you have that opinion”. Not every opinion can be just wrong or right, as I said multiple times.

    • notabot@lemm.ee
      3·
      12 hours ago

      Well you shouldn’t. Take it off immediately, systemd or the sticker, either will do. She’s stated her position on the matter, and you should respect that!

      (/jk I’m not actually having a go at you, stickers are cool, and systemd is pervasive)

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.eeEnglish
    16·
    17 hours ago

    Was gonna ask what’s wrong with Systemd but decided to look it up and I now see why, at least from what I was reading.

    • fl42v@lemmy.ml
      18·
      13 hours ago

      I mean, if you want an init (e.g. embedded linux), sysd may not be way you want. On desktops, tho, you ultimately end up hacking together more or less the same functionality with sticks’n’shit. And yes, sysd timers are more readable than crontab, sue me.

      Edit: the point is, sysd is not (only) an init.